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Omar Mahmoud

Is this considered a quiet 8938 disclosure for foreign assets?

Hey tax people, I'm a bit stressed about this whole foreign account reporting thing. I recently discovered I should have been filing Form 8938 for some investments I have overseas (about $275k total). I never reported these on previous tax returns because honestly, I had no idea I needed to. I just filed my 2023 taxes and included Form 8938 with all the current information, but didn't amend any prior years. My accountant kinda just shrugged and said it should be fine going forward. I've heard horror stories about FBAR penalties and I'm worried if this counts as some kind of "quiet disclosure" that might trigger an audit. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Should I file amended returns for previous years or just continue reporting correctly from now on? Would the IRS flag this as suspicious when they suddenly see foreign accounts appear on my return that weren't there before?

Chloe Harris

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This is a situation you should approach carefully. Form 8938 (Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets) reporting is separate from FBAR requirements, though there's some overlap. When you suddenly start reporting previously undisclosed foreign assets, yes, the IRS might notice the change. However, they don't automatically assume malicious intent. The question is whether this constitutes a "quiet disclosure" - which is essentially correcting previous non-compliance without formally entering an amnesty program. The IRS generally prefers taxpayers to use official disclosure programs for past non-compliance rather than quiet disclosures. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures might be appropriate for your situation if you can certify your failure to file was non-willful. If the non-disclosure was truly unintentional and you want maximum protection, consider discussing the Streamlined procedures with a tax professional who specializes in international tax compliance. This gives you formal protection rather than hoping the IRS doesn't notice or care about the sudden appearance of foreign assets.

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Diego Vargas

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Thanks for this info. I've heard about the Streamlined procedures but isn't there a hefty penalty involved? Like some percentage of all foreign assets? My failure was definitely non-willful (seriously had no clue about these forms until recently), but I'm wondering if it's better to just move forward correctly or go through this formal process.

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Chloe Harris

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The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures do have a 5% miscellaneous offshore penalty on the highest aggregate balance of your unreported foreign assets, but that only applies to taxpayers living outside the US. For US residents using the Streamlined Domestic Offshore Procedures, the penalty is actually 5% of the highest aggregate balance. However, this is typically much less severe than potential penalties for continued non-compliance, which can reach $10,000 per unreported account per year for non-willful violations, and potentially much higher for willful violations. The Streamlined procedures also provide closure and formal assurance that the matter is resolved, rather than living with uncertainty about whether the IRS will eventually question your prior non-filing.

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NeonNinja

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How exactly does this AI thing work for international tax situations? My accountant says my case is too "unique" for any software and wants to charge me $2,000 for amended returns. Would this actually help with deciding between quiet disclosure vs. streamlined filing?

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Sean Murphy

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I'm skeptical about using AI for serious tax compliance issues like international reporting. How can it possibly know the nuances of FBAR and 8938 requirements? Did it actually help you decide whether to amend previous years or just go forward correctly?

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NeonNinja

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The AI works by analyzing your specific financial documents and applying the current IRS regulations to your situation. It identified which accounts met the threshold for different types of reporting and highlighted the potential risks of my various options. It's not making decisions on its own - it presents the relevant IRS guidelines that apply to your specific situation. For your question about quiet disclosure versus streamlined filing, it actually provides a risk assessment between the options based on your specific circumstances, including factors like how many years you missed, the amounts involved, and whether your situation fits the non-willful criteria. The recommendation comes with citations to the relevant IRS procedures and regulations.

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Sean Murphy

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Zara Khan

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Luca Ferrari

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Wait, how is this even possible? The IRS callback system never works for me. Does this service just keep calling until they get through? And were you able to ask hypothetical questions about your situation without giving your name?

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Nia Davis

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This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS international department has wait times of HOURS even with appointments. No way some service can magically get through. Plus, why would you talk to the IRS about potential non-compliance? That's like calling the police to ask if you should turn yourself in lol.

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Zara Khan

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Nia Davis

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I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself because I was desperate to talk to someone about my foreign account situation. Within 45 minutes of using the service, I was talking to an actual IRS agent in the international department. I asked hypothetically about the difference between just starting to file correctly versus using the formal disclosure programs. The agent explained that while they can't make recommendations for specific cases, sudden reporting of significant foreign assets after years of non-reporting often gets flagged for review. They said the formal programs provide certain protections that "quiet" compliance doesn't. This was exactly the confirmation I needed to decide on using the Streamlined program rather than risking a quiet disclosure. Completely worth it.

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Just wanted to add my experience - I had unreported foreign assets for about 4 years (around $200k) and decided to just file correctly going forward without amending or doing streamlined filing. That was 3 years ago and nothing has happened. No audit, no questions. I think the IRS has bigger fish to fry than people who make honest mistakes and correct them going forward. Not saying that's the right approach for everyone, but wanted to share a positive outcome.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Did you have any special circumstances that might have made your situation lower risk? Like were these accounts in countries with automatic reporting to the US (like most European countries)? I'm trying to gauge if my situation is similar to yours or if I'm at higher risk.

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My accounts were in Australia, which does have information sharing with the US through FATCA. That might have reduced my risk since the IRS likely already had some visibility into the accounts through that program. I also had a pretty straightforward tax situation otherwise - W-2 income, standard deduction, nothing complicated that might trigger other audit flags. If your accounts are in countries with less transparency or you have other complex tax situations, your risk profile might be different than mine was.

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QuantumQueen

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Anyone know if the IRS can actually see when you started having these foreign accounts? Like if I've had them for 10 years but only started reporting them now, can they tell the accounts have existed for a decade? This quiet disclosure question is keeping me up at night!

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Aisha Rahman

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Many foreign financial institutions report account information to the IRS under FATCA (Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act), including account opening dates in some cases. The level of detail depends on the country and specific agreements. Additionally, if the accounts generate significant income, the IRS might question where that income source came from in previous years.

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I'm dealing with a similar foreign asset reporting situation and wanted to share what I learned after consulting with an international tax attorney. The key distinction here is that Form 8938 and FBAR serve different purposes - 8938 is part of your tax return while FBAR is filed separately with FinCEN. The "quiet disclosure" concern is real. When you suddenly report foreign assets that weren't previously disclosed, it can trigger questions about why they weren't reported before. The IRS has sophisticated matching systems that can identify patterns like this. For your $275k in assets, you're definitely above the reporting thresholds. My attorney explained that while some people do get away with quiet disclosures, the formal Streamlined Filing procedures provide legal protection and closure. The penalty (5% for domestic taxpayers) might seem steep, but it's often much less than the potential penalties for continued non-compliance if discovered later. The fact that your accountant "shrugged it off" is concerning - this is exactly the kind of situation where specialized expertise matters. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from someone who specifically handles international tax compliance before deciding your approach.

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I'm curious about the timeline for the Streamlined Filing procedures - how long does the process typically take from submission to resolution? Also, during that period, are you still at risk of penalties or does filing give you some protection while it's being reviewed? I'm trying to weigh the peace of mind factor against just hoping nothing comes of continuing forward correctly.

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Carmen Sanchez

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I've been through this exact situation with foreign assets around the same value range. The stress is real, but let me share what worked for me after making the same mistake. First, your accountant's casual approach is a red flag. International tax compliance isn't something to "shrug off." I initially tried the quiet disclosure route too - just started filing Form 8938 correctly going forward without addressing prior years. But the anxiety was killing me, especially after learning that FATCA reporting means the IRS likely already has visibility into many foreign accounts. I ended up using the Streamlined Domestic Offshore Procedures about 6 months after my initial "quiet" filing. Yes, there's a 5% penalty on the highest aggregate balance, but here's what sold me on it: legal certainty. Once you complete the streamlined filing and pay the penalty, you get formal closure. No more sleepless nights wondering if the IRS will come knocking. The process took about 4 months from submission to receiving my closing letter. During that time, I felt much more secure knowing I was in an official compliance program rather than hoping my quiet disclosure wouldn't be noticed. Given your asset level ($275k), the streamlined penalty would be around $13,750 - painful but manageable compared to the potential penalties and legal costs if things go sideways later. My advice: bite the bullet and get the peace of mind. The stress relief alone was worth it for me.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I needed to hear. The anxiety factor is huge - I've been losing sleep over this too. Your timeline of 4 months for the streamlined process is helpful to know. Can I ask what documentation you had to gather for the streamlined filing? I'm wondering how intensive the paperwork process is compared to just filing the forms going forward. Also, did you need to get certified translations for any foreign bank statements, or were English summaries sufficient? The $13,750 penalty calculation is sobering but you're right that it's probably less than what I'd spend on legal fees if this becomes a bigger issue later. Did you handle the streamlined filing yourself or work with a specialist?

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