Is this considered a quiet 8938 disclosure for unreported accounts?
So I'm way behind on filing Form 8938 for some foreign accounts I have. Totally my fault - I've had these accounts for years but never reported them. I recently learned about FBAR and Form 8938 requirements when talking to a friend who went through an audit. I'm planning to file my 2024 taxes on time and want to include Form 8938 properly this year. If I just start reporting these accounts correctly on my 2024 taxes without amending prior years, would this be considered a "quiet disclosure"? I've read the IRS doesn't like quiet disclosures, but I'm not sure if this applies to Form 8938 the same way as offshore income. The accounts total about $175,000 across three different countries. I've been declaring the income from these accounts on my taxes each year, just never filed the 8938 form itself. Is there a formal process I should follow instead of just starting to file correctly going forward? I'm trying to avoid penalties but also don't want to trigger an audit by handling this incorrectly.
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Luca Russo
This is definitely a situation you need to handle carefully. The IRS doesn't have an official definition of a "quiet disclosure" but generally it refers to filing amended returns or delinquent information returns without going through formal disclosure programs. In your case, if you've been accurately reporting the income from these accounts but just haven't filed Form 8938, you're in a better position than someone who's hidden both the accounts and the income. However, just starting to file Form 8938 going forward without addressing past non-compliance could potentially be viewed as a quiet disclosure. The IRS has formal programs for addressing overseas asset reporting issues, including the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, which might be appropriate in your situation. These programs often offer reduced penalties compared to what you might face if discovered in an audit.
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Nia Wilson
•Would the Streamlined program still apply if all the income was reported correctly on their tax returns? I thought that was more for people who didn't report foreign income at all. Also, aren't there really high penalties for not filing 8938 forms? Like $10k per form or something scary?
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Luca Russo
•Yes, the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures can still apply even if you reported all income correctly. The program covers both unreported income and unfiled information returns like Form 8938. Many people are in exactly this situation - they reported income but weren't aware of the separate form filing requirements. The penalties for non-filing of Form 8938 can indeed be severe - $10,000 for initial failure to file, with additional penalties up to $50,000 for continued non-compliance after IRS notification. However, there's a reasonable cause exception that may apply, particularly if you didn't know about the requirement and have otherwise been compliant with reporting the income.
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Mateo Sanchez
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Aisha Mahmood
•Did the tool actually help you decide whether to do Streamlined or just start filing correctly? I'm in a similar boat but with accounts in Asia that I inherited.
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Ethan Clark
•Can this taxr.ai thing actually help with the penalty abatement letters too? Or does it just identify the problems? I feel like I need something that helps with the whole process not just tells me I screwed up lol
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Mateo Sanchez
•The tool definitely helped me decide which approach made sense for my situation. It asked several questions about my specific circumstances and gave me a recommendation based on similar cases. It suggested Streamlined was my best option since I had multiple years of non-filing, even though I'd reported the income. It actually does help with penalty abatement letters too. It has templates specifically for FBAR and 8938 situations that you can customize based on your circumstances. It drafts the explanation letter using the factors that have worked in similar cases, which was hugely helpful because I had no idea how to explain my situation in a way that wouldn't make things worse.
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Aisha Mahmood
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AstroAce
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Yuki Kobayashi
•How does that even work? Does the IRS actually allow this kind of service to hold your place in line? Seems like they wouldn't be cool with that.
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Carmen Vega
•This sounds like total BS. There's no way some random service can get you through to the IRS faster. They probably just keep you on hold themselves and then connect you when an agent answers. Waste of money when you could just call yourself.
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AstroAce
•It works by using a combination of tech and human operators. They have a system that waits on hold with the IRS so you don't have to. When a human IRS agent answers, Claimyr calls your phone and connects you directly to that agent. The IRS doesn't know or care who was holding originally - they just know a call came in and someone is now talking to them. It's not about getting "faster" access - you still wait the same amount of time someone else would. The difference is you don't have to sit there listening to hold music for hours. You can go about your day, and your phone rings when an actual human at the IRS is ready to talk. I was definitely skeptical too, but after trying to get through to the international tax line for days, I was willing to try anything.
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Carmen Vega
Well I need to eat my words about Claimyr. I was the one calling it BS earlier, but after another frustrating day trying to reach someone at the IRS about my own international accounts, I gave in and tried it yesterday. I was 100% prepared to come back here and expose it as a scam, but... it actually worked exactly as advertised. I got a call back in about 2 hours and was connected immediately to an IRS rep who specialized in international reporting. She answered all my questions about my missed 8938 filings and recommended specific steps based on my situation. Saved myself literally hours of frustration. Plus I could actually work while "on hold" instead of having to keep my phone tied up. Consider me converted from biggest skeptic to satisfied customer.
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Andre Rousseau
I messed up on FBAR forms for years (different but similar to 8938) and ended up using the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures. You have to certify your failure to file was "non-willful" and provide a statement explaining why. For me it worked out okay - paid a 5% penalty on the highest aggregate value but no FBAR penalties. Not sure if your situation would qualify as non-willful since you knew about the accounts obviously but maybe didn't know about the form itself? Definitely worth looking into though if the accounts have been there a while.
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Zoe Stavros
•What's the actual difference between FBAR and Form 8938? I always thought they were basically the same thing. Do you need to file both?
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Andre Rousseau
•The main differences are that FBARs (FinCEN Form 114) are filed with FinCEN (Financial Crimes Enforcement Network), not the IRS, while Form 8938 is filed with your tax return to the IRS. The thresholds are also different - FBAR is required when you have $10,000 total across all foreign accounts at any point during the year, while 8938 has higher thresholds that vary based on filing status and whether you live in the US or abroad. And yes, if you meet both thresholds, you need to file both forms even though they contain similar information. It's one of those frustrating redundancies in the system. Many people file FBARs but don't realize they need 8938 too, especially since the 8938 requirement is newer (started in 2011).
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Jamal Harris
Quiet disclosures are risky. My accountant told me the IRS has algorithms that flag sudden new international form filings and compares them with prior years. If you're not in Streamlined program but suddenly show foreign accounts that have existed for years, they might look closer at your past returns.
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GalaxyGlider
•Is there any actual evidence the IRS does this? I've heard this repeated a lot but I've never seen anything official from the IRS saying they specifically look for this. Seems like tax preparer fear tactics tbh
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Nia Thompson
I was in a very similar situation about two years ago - had foreign accounts for several years, reported all the income properly, but completely missed the Form 8938 requirement. The stress was unreal once I realized my mistake. After consulting with a tax attorney, I decided to go through the Streamlined Domestic Offshore Procedures rather than just start filing going forward. The key factor for me was that I could honestly certify my non-compliance was "non-willful" - I genuinely didn't know about the Form 8938 requirement since I was already reporting the income. The Streamlined process required filing amended returns for the last three years with the missing 8938 forms, plus a detailed statement explaining why I hadn't filed them before. The 5% penalty on the highest account balance was much better than potentially facing the $10-50k penalties per form if they discovered it later through an audit. One thing that helped my case was keeping good documentation showing I'd always reported the income accurately - bank statements, tax returns, etc. This demonstrated I wasn't trying to hide anything, just didn't understand the separate reporting requirement. Would definitely recommend talking to a tax professional about your specific situation, especially with $175k across multiple countries. The peace of mind from getting compliant through an official program was worth it for me.
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