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Riya Sharma

Help Needed: Filing Late Form 8938 and FBAR for Foreign Accounts

I've been a resident alien for tax purposes for the past 6 years and just discovered I was supposed to file Form 8938 and FBAR reports. I'm freaking out right now! My wife and I have had foreign accounts that went over $150,000 at some point during each year for all 6 years I've been here. These are basically just checking accounts with minimal interest (like under $120 total), but I now realize I should have reported even that small interest income. Since these are all foreign banks, I never received any 1099-INT forms from them. After doing some research, I'm planning to write a statement explaining the situation and submit late FBARs for the past 6 years plus Form 8938 with amended tax returns for the last 3 years. My main concerns are: 1. We moved money around between accounts and the maximum value looks huge (around $750k), but by December 31st each year, the balance was only about $40k. Will this cause problems? 2. I understand I can file FBAR for up to 6 years back and amend tax returns for up to 3 years. Is that enough, or should I try to fix returns from more than 3 years ago too? 3. Do I need to create and submit my own 1099-INT forms for the small interest income from these foreign accounts? None of the foreign banks sent me any tax forms. Any advice would be hugely appreciated. I haven't been sleeping well since figuring this out.

Santiago Diaz

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This is actually a fairly common situation for resident aliens, so try not to panic too much. The IRS has procedures in place for exactly these circumstances. For your first question, you need to report the maximum value of your accounts during the year on both Form 8938 and FBAR, not just the year-end balance. So yes, you'll need to report the $750k maximum balance. However, this itself isn't a problem - the issue would be failing to report it, which you're now taking steps to correct. For filing previous years, your approach is correct. The FBAR lookback period is 6 years, and amended returns generally go back 3 years. The statute of limitations for assessment is typically 3 years, though it can be extended in certain circumstances. Regarding the interest income, you don't need to create your own 1099-INT forms. Foreign financial institutions don't issue these forms. Instead, you should report the interest income directly on Schedule B of your Form 1040 when you file your amended returns. Just include the interest amounts and identify the foreign bank. Consider looking into the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, which are designed for taxpayers who non-willfully failed to report foreign assets. This program can help you come into compliance while potentially reducing penalties.

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Riya Sharma

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Thank you so much for the detailed response. I hadn't heard about the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures - would that be better than just filing late FBARs and amended returns? And does "non-willfully" mean I just didn't know about the requirement? Because that's exactly what happened - I had no idea these forms existed until now.

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Santiago Diaz

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Yes, the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures would likely be better than simply filing late FBARs and amended returns. Under this program, you'll file the most recent 3 years of tax returns and 6 years of FBARs, and you'll need to certify that your failure was non-willful. The major benefit is that you'll avoid most penalties that would otherwise apply. "Non-willful" means exactly what you described - you didn't know about the requirement. The IRS defines it as conduct due to negligence, inadvertence, or mistake, or good faith misunderstanding of the law. You'll need to provide a statement explaining why you failed to report the accounts, which in your case would be that you were unaware of the filing requirements.

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Millie Long

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KaiEsmeralda

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How accurate was it with currency conversion? My biggest headache with FBAR is figuring out the correct exchange rates to use since my accounts are in three different currencies and the rates fluctuate throughout the year.

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Debra Bai

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Millie Long

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For currency conversion, it was surprisingly accurate. It automatically applied the Treasury's Financial Management Service rate for the end of the calendar year for the FBAR, and for Form 8938, it used the appropriate exchange rate for when each transaction occurred. Saved me hours of manually looking up historical exchange rates. For the streamlined filing procedure, they handled the documentation analysis part, which for me was the most confusing element. The tool identified which accounts needed reporting and produced a detailed report I could give to my accountant. My accountant then used that information to complete the actual streamlined filing. For investments, it works well too - it recognized my foreign mutual funds and flagged them as potential PFICs which need special reporting.

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Debra Bai

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I was in almost the exact same situation two years ago. Spent weeks trying to get through to the IRS to ask questions about the streamlined program but couldn't get anyone on the phone. Eventually found https://claimyr.com and watched their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They got me connected to an actual IRS agent within about 30 minutes when I'd been trying for weeks. The IRS agent walked me through the entire process of filing late FBARs and doing the streamlined procedure. They confirmed I only needed to go back 3 years for tax returns and 6 for FBARs, and that I didn't need to worry about creating any 1099 forms for the foreign interest. Just needed to report it on Schedule B and check the foreign account box. Getting actual answers directly from the IRS gave me peace of mind before submitting everything, especially since penalties can be steep if done incorrectly.

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Laura Lopez

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How does this actually work? Do they somehow jump you ahead in the IRS phone queue? I've been trying to talk to someone at the IRS for 3 weeks about my FBAR issues.

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Sorry but this sounds made up. There's no way to "skip the line" with the IRS. If there was, everyone would be using it. The IRS is notoriously unreachable, especially on international tax issues. I doubt any service could get you through within 30 minutes.

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They use a technology that continuously calls the IRS using automated systems and then connects you once a human answers. It's completely legitimate - they're just using technology to handle the frustrating part of waiting on hold. They don't skip you ahead in any queue or do anything improper - they're just persistent with the calling so you don't have to be. When my call was finally answered, I was simply connected to the next available IRS representative, just like if I had waited on hold myself. The service just did the waiting for me.

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I need to eat some humble pie here. After expressing skepticism about Claimyr in my previous comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate to speak with the IRS about my FBAR situation. I was genuinely shocked when I got a call back in about 45 minutes connecting me to an actual IRS representative. The agent I spoke with was knowledgeable about international reporting requirements and confirmed that my case would likely qualify for the streamlined procedures. They also clarified that I didn't need to file additional documentation for small amounts of foreign interest income beyond reporting it on Schedule B. What I especially appreciated was getting confirmation directly from the IRS that my approach to calculating maximum account values was correct. Turns out I was overthinking it and making the process more complicated than necessary. Now I feel much more confident submitting my paperwork.

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One important thing no one has mentioned yet - make sure you're using the right exchange rate! The Treasury Financial Management Service rate should be used for FBAR (FinCEN Form 114), but Form 8938 should use the exchange rate on the last day of the tax year. I messed this up on my first attempt and had to redo everything. Also, don't forget that the FBAR is filed electronically through the FinCEN BSA E-Filing System, not with your tax return. Form 8938 goes with your tax return. Different systems, different deadlines, different exchange rates... it's unnecessarily complicated.

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Do you need to use the same exact exchange rate for all the accounts on one day, or can you use the rates from when you actually had the maximum balance in each account (which might be different days)?

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For FBAR (FinCEN Form 114), you should use the Treasury Financial Management Service rate on the last day of the calendar year if you're reporting the value on that day. However, if you're reporting the maximum value during the year (which you should be), you're supposed to use the rate on the day when the maximum value occurred. For Form 8938, you use the exchange rate on the last day of your tax year, regardless of when the maximum balance occurred. This creates inconsistencies between the two forms, which is why they often have different reported values for the same accounts.

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Does anyone know if there's a minimum penalty for late FBARs? I'm in kinda the same situation but my accounts are much smaller (around $175k total). Everything I read online makes it sound like the penalties are going to be massive even though I just didn't know about these forms.

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Santiago Diaz

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If you qualify for the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, there's a miscellaneous offshore penalty of 5% of the highest aggregate balance of your foreign financial assets during the 6-year lookback period. However, for non-willful violations outside the streamlined program, penalties can range from $10,000 per violation per year. The key is demonstrating that your failure to file was truly non-willful. If you go through the streamlined program and properly certify that your failure was non-willful, you can avoid the harsher penalties.

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