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Maya Diaz

Discovered I missed filing FBAR and Form 8938 for last 5 years - looking for advice

Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a panic and could really use some guidance here. So I've been living and working in the US since 2017, filing my taxes every year. Before moving here, I worked in Germany and France where I still have 2 bank accounts that together hold about $180K. I literally just found out this week about FBAR and Form 8938 requirements because I'm planning to transfer this money to the US. I had absolutely no idea these forms existed until now! These accounts haven't generated much income - maybe around $450-500 in capital gains annually from some ETF trades, but the total amount has stayed pretty stable over the years. From what I've frantically researched so far: 1. Filing the missing FBARs for all 5 years shouldn't be a huge problem and would likely be approved without penalties (99% chance?). I understand FBAR is handled by FinCEN, not IRS. 2. But I'm really worried about the missing Form 8938s since those carry potential $10K penalties PER FORM/YEAR. I see a few options: - Use the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, but the 5% penalty seems steep - Just file Form 8938 for 2022 tax year as if it's new (a CPA suggested this approach) Another possibility someone mentioned is transferring the money to family members abroad and then receiving it back as a "gift." All this money was legally earned and taxed in the EU countries before I became a US citizen. What would you recommend to minimize my risk of penalties? I'm really stressed about this! Thanks in advance for any advice!

Tami Morgan

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Don't panic! This situation happens more than you'd think, and there are established ways to handle it. For the FBARs, you're right that you should file the missing ones. Use FinCEN Form 114 and select "reasonable cause" as the reason for late filing. Include a brief statement explaining you weren't aware of the requirement. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network is generally understanding when there's no evidence of tax evasion or intentional concealment. Regarding Form 8938, there are a few approaches. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are the official IRS path for situations exactly like yours. While the 5% penalty seems steep, it provides certainty and protection from more severe penalties. It applies only to your highest aggregate balance, not every year. I strongly advise against just filing for 2022 and ignoring prior years. That approach (sometimes called "quiet disclosure") can actually trigger additional scrutiny and doesn't provide penalty protection. The "family gift" idea is particularly risky - the IRS may view this as deliberate evasion of reporting requirements, which could lead to much worse penalties. Since the amounts involved are substantial and the potential penalties significant, this is definitely a situation where professional guidance is worth the cost.

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Maya Diaz

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Thanks for this detailed response! Two quick questions: 1) If I go the Streamlined route, is the 5% penalty applied to the highest balance across all 5 years or just the current year? 2) Does it matter that I had minimal income from these accounts? Most of the money just sat there.

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Tami Morgan

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The 5% penalty in the Streamlined procedure is applied to the highest aggregate balance of your foreign assets during the 6-year FBAR period (not just the current year). So they'll look at the highest combined total your accounts reached during that time and apply the 5% to that amount. Regarding minimal income - yes, this actually works in your favor. The fact that you weren't generating significant taxable income and weren't actively concealing these accounts strengthens your "non-willful" case. The IRS is primarily concerned with lost tax revenue and intentional evasion. When you can demonstrate the unreported income was minimal and the failure to file was due to genuine unawareness of the requirements, they're generally more reasonable.

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Rami Samuels

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Just wanted to share my experience - I was in a similar situation 2 years ago with unreported accounts in South Korea totaling about $210K. I spent hours researching solutions and panicking before finding https://taxr.ai which literally saved me thousands in potential penalties. Their analysis identified that my case qualified for a penalty waiver under specific FBAR guidance for "unintentional first-time violations." After uploading my bank statements and answering some questions about my situation, they outlined exactly which forms I needed, created a letter explaining my reasonable cause, and even showed me how the different compliance options would likely play out in my specific case. This was especially helpful because my CPA initially gave me conflicting advice about whether to use the Streamlined program or not. They analyzed all my foreign investment activity and showed that since my account balances were relatively stable with minimal trading, I qualified for a less burdensome correction path. Might be worth checking out in your situation!

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Haley Bennett

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Did you end up paying any penalties at all? I heard horror stories about people getting hit with massive fines even when they tried to fix things voluntarily.

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Rami Samuels

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They provided detailed instructions on exactly what to file and how to file it, including a customized template for my reasonable cause statement. They don't file the forms themselves since they're not a filing service, but they made it extremely clear what steps to take. I was able to handle the actual filing myself following their guide, which saved me from paying a CPA for that part. I didn't pay any penalties at all in the end! That was the best part. They helped me build a strong reasonable cause case based on my specific circumstances and documentation. The key was having a well-structured explanation that addressed all the factors the IRS looks for when evaluating non-willful conduct. From what I understand, the horror stories usually involve cases where there was evidence of intentional concealment or large unreported income.

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Haley Bennett

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I was in your exact position last year! Had accounts in Switzerland from when I studied there that I completely forgot about when I moved to the US. I was freaking out about potential penalties after 6 years of not filing FBARs or 8938s. After getting conflicting advice from two different CPAs, I tried https://taxr.ai based on a recommendation from this sub. The difference was night and day. While the CPAs gave generic advice, taxr.ai analyzed my specific situation and showed me that based on my particular case details, I qualified for a penalty-free late filing option because my accounts were under certain thresholds for part of the reporting period. They helped me understand exactly what documentation I needed to provide as evidence for my reasonable cause statement. The detailed guidance on exactly what factors would strengthen my case for penalty abatement was incredibly valuable - they pointed out specific language and circumstances to highlight in my submissions. I successfully filed all my back FBARs and 8938s with their guidance, and received confirmation from the IRS that my reasonable cause was accepted. Not a single penalty! I hope this helps reduce your stress level a bit - there are good solutions available!

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Nina Chan

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Ruby Knight

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How does this service even work? I thought it was impossible to get the IRS on the phone these days, especially for international tax issues.

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Sounds like a scam tbh. There's no way to jump the IRS phone queue - everyone has to wait like the rest of us. How much did this "service" cost you?

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Nina Chan

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It's not a phone queue jumper in the way you might think. What they do is use an automated system that continuously calls the IRS for you and when it finally gets through, it calls your phone and connects you. So you're not cutting in line - their system is just handling the tedious redial process that would otherwise take hours or days of your time. The agent I spoke with was definitely a real IRS employee, not someone pretending. They asked me all the verification questions the IRS normally asks, and provided information specific to my case that only someone with access to IRS systems would know. I was skeptical too before trying it, but when I finally got through to discuss my FBAR situation, it was clearly a legitimate IRS connection.

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Wow, I need to apologize for my skepticism about Claimyr in my earlier comment. After continuing to fail getting through to the IRS myself for another week, I broke down and tried the service. I feel like I owe everyone an update because it absolutely worked. I got connected to an IRS agent who specialized in foreign accounts within about 45 minutes of signing up. The agent carefully reviewed my situation with unreported foreign accounts and confirmed that based on my specific circumstances (minimal income from the accounts, lack of awareness of requirements), I qualified for the Delinquent International Information Return Submission Procedures, which meant NO penalties as long as I properly disclosed everything now. This saved me from unnecessarily going through the more complex Streamlined Procedures that would have cost me thousands in penalties. The agent even emailed me the specific forms and instructions I needed. Having that direct conversation completely changed my approach and saved me a ton of money and stress.

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Logan Stewart

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I'm a bit confused by the conflicting advice here. If someone has genuinely missed filing these forms for years but there's no tax due (since minimal income was generated), which is the correct approach? 1. Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures with 5% penalty 2. Just file delinquent FBARs with reasonable cause statement 3. File both current and back forms with explanation 4. Something else entirely? I've read so many different things and even tax professionals seem to give contradictory advice.

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Tami Morgan

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This confusion is unfortunately common because there are multiple programs and the right approach depends on specific circumstances. Let me clarify: If you have unfiled FBARs but correctly reported all taxable income from foreign accounts on your tax returns, you should use the "Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures" - file the missing FBARs with a statement explaining why they're late. No penalties apply if the IRS hasn't contacted you yet. If you have unfiled international information returns (like 8938) but properly reported and paid tax on all income, you can use the "Delinquent International Information Return Submission Procedures" - again, no penalties if you include a reasonable cause statement. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are for when you've failed to report income and pay tax in addition to not filing the information forms. That's when the 5% penalty comes into play. Many tax preparers default to recommending Streamlined because it provides the most protection, but it's not always necessary if you've been reporting the income correctly all along.

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Logan Stewart

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Thank you, that makes much more sense! The key distinction seems to be whether all the income was properly reported on tax returns, regardless of whether the information forms were filed. I had reported all my foreign account interest income on Schedule B each year but didn't know about the separate FBAR requirement. Sounds like I should use the Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures rather than the Streamlined program.

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Mikayla Brown

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Has anyone tried just amending the most recent year's return to include the 8938 and filing the current year's FBAR on time, without going back to fix previous years? My accountant suggested this "go forward" approach but I'm nervous about it.

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Sean Matthews

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I wouldn't recommend that approach. If the IRS discovers the prior unfiled forms through an audit or data matching with foreign banks (which is increasingly common due to FATCA agreements), they could view this as intentional non-compliance since you clearly knew about the requirement but chose not to correct past violations. This could potentially lead to willful penalties which are much higher. The proper channels (Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures or Streamlined) provide protection that a "quiet disclosure" or "go forward" approach doesn't. It's a significant risk to take given the potential penalties involved.

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Grace Thomas

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I went through something very similar about 18 months ago with accounts in the UK from before I moved to the US. The stress and confusion you're feeling is completely understandable - the maze of different compliance procedures and conflicting advice online can be overwhelming. Here's what I learned from my experience: The most important first step is determining whether you properly reported and paid tax on all the income from these accounts on your US tax returns. If you did (even if you didn't file the information forms), you're in a much better position than if you failed to report taxable income. From your post, it sounds like you may have been reporting the minimal capital gains income on your tax returns but just didn't know about the separate FBAR and 8938 filing requirements. If that's the case, you'd likely qualify for the delinquent filing procedures rather than needing the more expensive Streamlined program. The "family gift" suggestion is definitely something to avoid - that kind of restructuring specifically to avoid reporting requirements could be seen as willful evasion and make your situation much worse. Given the amounts involved ($180K), I'd strongly recommend getting a consultation with a tax professional who specializes in international compliance before making any decisions. The potential penalties are significant enough that professional guidance is worth the investment to make sure you choose the right path forward. You're taking the right steps by addressing this proactively rather than ignoring it. That alone puts you in a much better position with the IRS.

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This is such helpful advice, Grace! I'm actually in a very similar situation right now with accounts in Canada that I've had since before moving to the US. I've been reporting the interest income on my tax returns each year but completely missed the FBAR requirement until recently. Your point about determining whether income was properly reported first is really key - it sounds like that's the main factor in deciding between the delinquent filing procedures vs. the Streamlined program. I had no idea there were different paths depending on whether you reported the income or not. The stress is definitely real! I've been losing sleep over this for weeks since I discovered I should have been filing FBARs. It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing and came out okay on the other side. Did you end up using the delinquent FBAR procedures in your case, or did you need to go the Streamlined route? And if you don't mind me asking, did you face any penalties at all?

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Nathan Dell

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I completely understand the panic you're feeling - I discovered my own FBAR obligations about 3 years ago when I had been living in the US for 6 years with unreported accounts in Australia. The fear of those potential penalties is genuinely overwhelming at first. The good news is that situations like yours are more common than you might think, and the IRS has established procedures specifically for people who genuinely didn't know about these requirements. Based on what you've described, you're likely a good candidate for the penalty-free resolution paths that others have mentioned. A few key points that helped me navigate my situation: 1. The fact that you're discovering and addressing this proactively (rather than after an IRS inquiry) works strongly in your favor 2. The minimal income generation from your accounts supports a "non-willful" classification 3. Having legally earned and paid taxes on this money in the EU demonstrates you weren't trying to hide assets I ended up qualifying for the Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures since I had been properly reporting the small amount of income on my tax returns. No penalties were assessed, and the entire process was much less scary than I had anticipated. Don't let anyone pressure you into hasty decisions like the "family gift" idea - that could create much bigger problems. Take time to understand your options properly, and consider getting professional guidance given the amounts involved. You're going to get through this!

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Nathan, thank you for sharing your experience - it's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through this successfully! Your point about the proactive discovery being a positive factor is especially helpful. I've been beating myself up for not knowing about these requirements sooner, but you're right that addressing it voluntarily should work in my favor. The distinction you made about properly reporting income vs. just missing the information forms is really important. I did report the small amounts of capital gains on my tax returns each year - I just had no clue about the separate FBAR and 8938 requirements. It sounds like that puts me in a similar position to what you were in. Can I ask how long the whole process took from when you filed the delinquent FBARs to getting confirmation that no penalties would be assessed? I'm wondering what kind of timeline I should expect for resolution. Also, did you need to provide extensive documentation about the source of funds, or was a reasonable cause statement sufficient? I have all my bank records but I'm not sure how detailed I need to get in explaining the history of these accounts. Thanks again for the encouragement - it really helps to know others have navigated this successfully!

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I went through this exact situation about 2 years ago with accounts in Canada totaling around $150K that I'd completely forgotten to report. The panic you're feeling is so relatable - I remember lying awake at night calculating worst-case penalty scenarios! Here's what I learned that might help ease your stress: The IRS genuinely distinguishes between people who were trying to hide money versus those who simply didn't know about the reporting requirements. Your situation has several factors that work in your favor: 1. You've been filing tax returns consistently and reporting the minimal income from these accounts 2. The accounts were established before you moved to the US and contain legally earned, previously taxed money 3. You're discovering and addressing this proactively rather than after IRS contact I ended up using the Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures since I had been properly reporting the account income on my tax returns (just missed the separate FBAR filing requirement). The process was much smoother than expected - I filed all 6 years of missing FBARs with a reasonable cause statement explaining my genuine ignorance of the requirement. The key was being completely transparent and providing clear documentation that this was an oversight rather than intentional evasion. I received acknowledgment letters for all filings and never faced any penalties. Please avoid the "family gift" suggestion - that kind of restructuring specifically to avoid reporting could be viewed as willful evasion and make everything much worse. You're on the right track by addressing this head-on. Given the amounts involved, definitely worth getting a consultation with an international tax specialist to ensure you choose the best compliance path. You're going to get through this! The fact that you're handling it proactively puts you in a much better position than you might realize.

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