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Darcy Moore

Help with FBAR and PFIC Reporting for Foreign Mutual Funds

Hey tax folks, I need some advice to make sense of what my tax guy is telling me. I moved to the US in 2021 on an F1 student visa, but 2024 is going to be my first time filing as a resident (passed the substantial presence test and switched to H1B). Because of this change, 2024 is the first year I'm filing an FBAR since it wasn't required when I was a non-resident student. My foreign accounts include mutual funds worth about $40K, which seems to be creating all kinds of complications. My questions are: 1) My tax preparer suggested I should file FBARs retroactively for the past 5 years because of the mutual funds value. Is this actually necessary? I thought I was exempt as a non-resident before. 2) He mentioned something about PFIC implications - which I had never heard of until now - and said I'd need to pay taxes on unrealized gains. After doing some research online, it sounds crazy but apparently legit. But I'm confused about: * For unrealized gains, what time period are we talking? Just 2024 since I wasn't a resident in 2023? Or do I need to go back further? * Should I just sell everything? Or sell enough to get below the $25K threshold for single individuals? Are there other options that make more sense? Thanks for any help!

Dana Doyle

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The FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) and PFIC (Passive Foreign Investment Company) requirements can definitely be confusing, especially when transitioning from nonresident to resident status. For your FBAR question, the standard requirement is to file for years you were a US tax resident. Since you were on F1 and considered a nonresident alien before 2024, technically you weren't required to file FBARs for those previous years. Recommending 5 years of back filing seems excessive unless there are specific circumstances your tax preparer is concerned about. Some people do take a conservative approach and file back years voluntarily, but it's not strictly required in your situation. Regarding PFICs, yes, the taxation is quite punitive for US tax residents. The rules require you to pay tax on unrealized gains for the years you were a US tax resident. Since 2024 is your first year as a resident, theoretically the PFIC taxation should start from this year forward, not prior years when you weren't a US person for tax purposes. As for options, selling is one approach, but there might be others depending on your specific situation. You might want to consider a mark-to-market election or QEF election if available, though these have their own complexities.

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Liam Duke

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Thanks for explaining this. I'm in a similar situation but wasn't aware of the PFIC issues. Does the IRS actually enforce these rules heavily? It seems like a lot of international students might accidentally fail to comply simply because they don't know about it. Also, what's this QEF election you mentioned? Is that less painful than selling everything?

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Dana Doyle

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The IRS has been increasing enforcement on foreign asset reporting in recent years, though they tend to focus on larger accounts or obvious noncompliance patterns. That said, penalties for non-filing can be severe, so it's not something to ignore even for students. A QEF (Qualified Electing Fund) election allows you to be taxed on your proportionate share of the PFIC's earnings each year rather than the punitive default method. The challenge is you need the foreign fund to provide you with specific information to make this election, and many foreign funds aren't set up to provide the necessary documentation to their US investors. It can be less painful than selling everything if your fund can support it, but it requires annual reporting.

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Manny Lark

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Rita Jacobs

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Does it actually help you fill out the forms or just tell you what to do? I have similar foreign investments and my regular tax software doesn't handle PFICs at all.

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Khalid Howes

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I'm skeptical about using AI for something this complex with potentially big penalties. Did it generate the actual FBAR form? And how does it handle the calculation for Form 8621 for PFICs? Those calculations are insanely complicated.

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Manny Lark

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Khalid Howes

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Ben Cooper

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Naila Gordon

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some special access to the IRS? I've been trying to reach someone about FBAR penalties for a month with no luck.

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Cynthia Love

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This sounds too good to be true. IRS wait times are ridiculous. How do they get through when no one else can? And did the IRS agent actually give you specific advice about PFICs? Most of the time they just direct you to publications or tell you to ask a tax professional.

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Ben Cooper

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Cynthia Love

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I was super skeptical about Claimyr when I saw it posted here, but after spending literally 3 weeks trying to get through to the IRS about my FBAR penalties, I gave it a shot. Honestly, I'm shocked it actually worked. Got connected to an IRS rep within about 2 hours of signing up. The agent confirmed that as an F1 student who just became a resident, I only needed to file FBARs going forward, not retroactively unless I had met the substantial presence test in previous years. What I found most valuable was getting clarity on the PFIC reporting thresholds. The agent confirmed that the $25K threshold only applies to certain reporting requirements, not to whether the investment is classified as a PFIC. This was completely different from what my tax preparer had told me. If you're stuck with FBAR or foreign investment questions and can't get through to the IRS, it's definitely worth trying.

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Darren Brooks

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Ugh, I've been dealing with this exact PFIC nightmare. Sold all my foreign mutual funds last year after learning about the insane tax treatment. One thing to consider - the $25K threshold you mentioned isn't an exemption from PFIC rules entirely. That's likely referring to the Form 8938 filing threshold, which is separate from PFIC reporting. If you hold even $1 in a PFIC, you technically need to report it on Form 8621. The best option is usually to sell before becoming a US resident, but it sounds like you're past that point. For unrealized gains, since 2024 is your first resident year, you should only need to report from this point forward. Make sure your tax preparer uses your entry date into resident status as the starting point, not from when you purchased the funds.

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Darcy Moore

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Thanks so much for clarifying the $25K threshold - I think I was confusing the PFIC reporting with the Form 8938 requirements. My tax guy wasn't very clear on that distinction. So there's really no minimum threshold for PFIC reporting? That's pretty harsh. I'm wondering if selling now makes the most sense even if I take a hit, just to avoid the ongoing compliance headache and potentially worse tax treatment.

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Darren Brooks

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That's right - there's no minimum threshold for PFIC reporting on Form 8621. The IRS wants to know about all of them, regardless of size. It's incredibly burdensome. In my experience, selling is often the cleanest option, even with the initial tax hit. The ongoing compliance costs alone can be significant - many accountants charge $200-300 per PFIC per year just to complete Form 8621. Plus, the default excess distribution method (Section 1291) is punitive, with gains taxed at the highest marginal rate plus an interest charge. If you decide to keep them, definitely look into whether a QEF or mark-to-market election might be available. These need to be made timely, so don't delay on figuring out your approach.

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Rosie Harper

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Has anybody actually tried keeping their foreign mutual funds after becoming a US resident? I'm curious about the real tax impact compared to just selling everything.

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I kept mine and regret it deeply. The accounting costs alone are ridiculous - my CPA charges $250 per fund for Form 8621, and I have 6 different funds. That's $1,500 just for the paperwork, every single year, regardless of whether I had any actual distributions. The tax treatment is even worse. Had a fund that appreciated about 12% last year, and between the highest ordinary income tax rate and the interest charges on the "deferred tax," my effective tax rate on that growth was around 60%. Would have been WAY better off with US-based investments.

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Lucas Turner

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This is exactly the kind of situation where getting proper guidance early makes a huge difference. From what you've described, your tax preparer's suggestion about filing 5 years of retroactive FBARs seems overly conservative - as others have mentioned, you were a non-resident alien during those F1 years. One thing I'd add is to be very careful about the timing of when you became a tax resident. The substantial presence test calculation can be tricky, and the exact date matters for PFIC purposes. If you only became a resident partway through 2024, your PFIC reporting might only apply from that specific date forward. Also, regarding your question about selling - consider the timing carefully. If you sell early in your first resident year, you might be able to limit the PFIC gains to just a few months rather than a full year. The compliance burden for ongoing PFIC reporting really is significant, as others have noted. Between the annual Form 8621 requirements and the punitive tax treatment, many people find it's worth taking the one-time hit to get out of these investments entirely. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in international tax before making your final decision. The rules are complex enough that general tax preparers sometimes give overly broad advice.

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Amina Bah

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This is really helpful advice about the timing aspect. I hadn't considered that the exact date of becoming a tax resident could affect the PFIC calculations - that's a great point about potentially limiting gains to just part of the year. The suggestion about getting a second opinion from an international tax specialist makes a lot of sense too. It sounds like there's enough complexity here that even experienced general tax preparers might not have all the nuances right. Given the potential penalties and ongoing compliance costs everyone's mentioning, it seems worth the extra consultation fee to make sure I'm making the right decision. Does anyone have recommendations for finding CPAs who actually specialize in this area? It seems like the stakes are high enough that I don't want to just pick someone random.

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