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Lydia Santiago

Is a Revocation of Election (ROE) legitimate for tax exemption?

I recently learned something concerning from a coworker that has me worried. They've been filing what they call a "Revocation of Election" (ROE) for the past three years, claiming this makes them completely exempt from paying taxes. According to them, this is some kind of loophole that allows them to legally avoid all tax obligations. This sounds extremely suspicious to me - like one of those tax protestor schemes that eventually catches up with people. My coworker seems confident because they haven't faced any consequences yet, but I'm thinking the IRS might just be backlogged and hasn't gotten to their case. Has anyone heard of this "Revocation of Election" approach? Is this actually legitimate in any way, or is my coworker heading for serious trouble? I'm concerned they're going to end up with massive penalties and possibly worse down the road. The whole thing feels sketchy and too good to be true, but I wanted to check with people who might know more before I say anything to them.

Romeo Quest

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Your instincts are absolutely right - this is NOT legitimate and your coworker is headed for serious trouble. What they're describing sounds like a tax protestor scheme that the IRS specifically warns against. A genuine "Revocation of Election" is a legitimate tax term, but it refers to very specific situations where a taxpayer is changing a previously made tax election - like revoking an S-Corporation election or changing certain accounting methods. It absolutely does NOT make anyone exempt from paying taxes altogether. The fact that your coworker hasn't faced consequences yet doesn't mean they're in the clear. The IRS can go back several years when they identify non-filers, and the penalties and interest keep accumulating. Plus, willful tax evasion can potentially lead to criminal charges, not just civil penalties. I'd recommend showing genuine concern and suggesting they speak with a legitimate tax professional about voluntary disclosure options before they get caught. The IRS is more lenient with people who come forward voluntarily before being audited.

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Val Rossi

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What if what the coworker is doing is actually legal though? I've heard there are legitimate ways people can become "non-taxpayers" through various constitutional arguments. Couldn't the ROE be one of those methods? Not trying to argue, just genuinely curious because I've seen some convincing YouTube videos about this stuff.

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Romeo Quest

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There are absolutely no legitimate "constitutional arguments" that exempt U.S. persons from taxation. These are classic tax protestor arguments that have been repeatedly rejected by every court that has considered them. The IRS even publishes a list of these frivolous arguments and the penalties for making them. What your coworker is doing is engaging in a scheme that will eventually catch up with them. The IRS processes millions of returns and it can take time to identify non-filers or those using frivolous methods, but they do catch up eventually. When they do, the penalties include not just the back taxes but substantial interest, failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties, and potentially a separate $5,000 penalty just for using frivolous arguments.

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Natalie Khan

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Former IRS employee here. The "Revocation of Election" schemes are part of what we called "frivolous tax arguments" and they're extremely common. The IRS actually publishes "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments" which debunks all these schemes. Your friend is potentially committing tax evasion, which is a federal crime. The IRS sometimes takes years to catch up with non-filers who use these schemes, but they almost always do eventually. I've seen people hit with 7+ years of back taxes, penalties, and interest all at once. Tell your friend to consult with a tax attorney about voluntary disclosure options before they get caught. It's much better to come forward voluntarily than to be found by the IRS.

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Daryl Bright

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What kinds of penalties are we talking about here? Just curious how bad it can get if someone's been doing this for a few years like OP's friend.

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Natalie Khan

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For someone who's been filing frivolous "tax protestor" documents for three years, the penalties can be substantial. They would face: Failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties, which can add up to 47.5% of the unpaid tax over time. Plus, there's a $5,000 civil penalty just for filing a frivolous return or using frivolous arguments. That's $5,000 PER tax return or correspondence containing these arguments. On top of that, interest compounds daily on both the unpaid tax and penalties. Over three years, someone with even a moderate income could easily face a total bill of $20,000-$50,000 or more, depending on their income level. In cases of willful evasion, criminal penalties including imprisonment are possible, though they're less common for people who were misled by these schemes.

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Sienna Gomez

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My cousin tried that ROE nonsense a few years back. Guess who now has wage garnishments and tax liens on all his property? The IRS waited about 4 years before they dropped the hammer on him. Now hes paying back like 70k in taxes, penalties and interest. And he still has to file and pay current taxes too lol. Your friend is setting himself up for financial ruin. The fact that nothing has happened yet means nothing. The IRS is very patient and very thorough once they get to your case.

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Did your cousin ever try to get any kind of relief or reduction of those penalties? I've heard sometimes they'll work with people who made honest mistakes.

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Andre Laurent

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This is extremely concerning and your coworker is absolutely walking into a trap. As someone who has dealt with tax issues professionally, I can tell you that "Revocation of Election" in legitimate tax contexts refers to very specific situations - like revoking an S-Corp election or changing certain accounting methods. It has absolutely nothing to do with becoming exempt from taxes entirely. What your coworker is doing sounds like a classic tax protestor scheme. These schemes prey on people by mixing legitimate tax terminology with completely bogus legal theories. The IRS has a specific publication called "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments" that addresses exactly these types of schemes. The fact that nothing has happened to them yet is actually the most dangerous part. The IRS often takes 3-5 years to catch up with non-filers, especially when they're using these elaborate schemes. But when they do catch up, the penalties are devastating - we're talking about failure-to-file penalties, failure-to-pay penalties, interest compounding daily, plus an additional $5,000 penalty per year just for filing frivolous documents. Your coworker needs to speak with a legitimate tax attorney immediately about voluntary disclosure options. Coming forward voluntarily before being caught can significantly reduce penalties and avoid potential criminal charges. Please don't let them continue down this path - the financial consequences will be life-altering.

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Amina Diallo

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This is such helpful information, thank you for breaking it down so clearly. I'm definitely going to try talking to my coworker about this - maybe I can frame it as being concerned about their financial future rather than telling them they're wrong outright. Do you happen to know if there are any free resources where someone could get legitimate tax advice to help them understand why these schemes don't work? I'm thinking if I can point them toward official sources, they might be more receptive than just hearing it from me.

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Danielle Mays

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Absolutely! The IRS has several free resources that are perfect for this situation. The most relevant one is Publication 2105 "Why Do I Have to Pay Taxes?" which directly addresses common tax protestor arguments. They also have "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments" available free on their website - this document systematically debunks every major tax protestor scheme with actual court cases and legal citations. For someone who's been misled by these schemes, the Taxpayer Advocate Service (TAS) is another great resource. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems and understand their rights. They can provide free guidance on legitimate tax issues without being judgmental about past mistakes. Your approach of framing it as concern for their financial future is perfect. Maybe you could say something like "I found these official IRS resources that explain why some of these tax strategies can backfire - would you mind taking a look just to make sure you're protected?" That way you're not attacking their current beliefs but offering additional information for their consideration.

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NebulaNova

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Your coworker is absolutely heading for serious trouble, and your instincts are spot on. What they're describing is a classic tax protestor scheme that has been repeatedly debunked and rejected by courts. A legitimate "Revocation of Election" is a real tax concept, but it applies to very specific situations like changing from S-Corp status or modifying certain accounting elections. It has absolutely nothing to do with becoming exempt from taxes entirely - that's complete nonsense. The scary part is that these schemes often sound sophisticated because they misuse legitimate tax terminology. Your coworker may feel safe because nothing has happened yet, but that's actually the most dangerous part. The IRS often takes 3-5 years to catch up with non-filers, especially those using elaborate schemes. When they do catch up, the penalties are devastating. We're talking about failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties that can reach 47.5% of unpaid taxes, plus a $5,000 penalty per year just for filing frivolous documents, plus interest compounding daily on everything. Someone doing this for three years could easily face $30,000-50,000+ in penalties alone, not counting the actual taxes owed. I'd strongly encourage you to approach your coworker with genuine concern and suggest they consult with a legitimate tax attorney about voluntary disclosure options before the IRS finds them. The IRS is much more lenient with people who come forward voluntarily versus those they catch through enforcement actions.

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Zoey Bianchi

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This is really eye-opening - I had no idea the penalties could be that severe. The $5,000 per year just for filing frivolous documents is shocking on top of everything else. I'm definitely going to have a serious conversation with my coworker about this. Do you know if there's a statute of limitations on how far back the IRS can go once they start investigating someone who's been using these schemes? I'm wondering if my coworker thinks they're somehow "safe" after a certain number of years, which might explain why they're so confident about this approach.

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