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Yara Sabbagh

People filing taxes with fake LLCs - what are the risks?

Has anyone dealt with people filing their taxes using fake LLCs? I work as a bookkeeper and I've noticed an alarming trend where some of my clients' associates are setting up what seem to be shell LLCs just for tax purposes. They're not actually running legitimate businesses - just using the LLC status to write off personal expenses like their car, meals, travel, and even their home office when they don't actually work from home. I've tried explaining that this is tax fraud and could lead to serious consequences, but they insist "everyone does it" and the IRS is "too busy to check small businesses." One guy even bragged about saving over $12,000 in taxes last year through this scheme. I'm not trying to police anyone, but I'm concerned about the risks here, both for them and potentially for me since I now know about it. What kind of penalties could they face if caught? And should I refuse to work with clients who might be involved in this?

This is definitely concerning and you're right to be worried. What you're describing is textbook tax fraud, and the IRS takes this very seriously. When people create "fake" LLCs with no legitimate business purpose just to claim personal expenses as business deductions, they're committing tax evasion. The IRS specifically looks for these patterns during audits. Business expenses must be ordinary and necessary for your trade or business - not just a way to reduce personal tax liability. The penalties can be severe. Beyond having to pay all back taxes owed plus interest, the IRS can impose accuracy-related penalties (20% of the underpaid tax), civil fraud penalties (75% of the underpaid tax attributable to fraud), and in serious cases, criminal prosecution resulting in fines up to $100,000 and potential imprisonment. As for your involvement, you should definitely distance yourself from any fraudulent activity. As a bookkeeper, you could potentially face preparer penalties if you knowingly participate in filing fraudulent returns. The IRS can assess penalties against tax preparers who prepare returns with unrealistic positions.

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Paolo Rizzo

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What if someone has a legitimate side business but occasionally writes off things that are borderline personal? Like if I have a real photography business but claim some camera equipment I mostly use for family photos? Is that the same level of risk?

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For expenses that serve both personal and business purposes, you need to allocate between business and personal use and only deduct the business portion. For your photography example, if you use equipment 70% for business and 30% for personal use, you should only deduct 70% of those expenses. The key difference is intent and legitimacy. Having a genuine business with some questionable deductions is different from creating a fake business solely to claim personal expenses. However, both can trigger audits and penalties if you're significantly overreaching. The IRS looks at the primary purpose of expenses and whether they're ordinary and necessary for your specific business.

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QuantumQuest

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Amina Sy

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Does this actually work? I've been paranoid about audit risks since I started my legitimate side business. Would this flag things for regular self-employed people too, or is it more for accountants?

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GalaxyGlider

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Bookkeeper here - I've had to drop clients over similar issues. The "everyone does it" excuse is what people tell themselves to justify fraud. The LLC scheme is really common, but here's the reality: the IRS is getting much better at detecting these patterns. Their new enforcement funding means they're auditing small businesses a lot more than in previous years. One of my former clients got caught in a similar scheme and ended up with a $27,000 tax bill after penalties and interest. They also had to pay me to reconstruct three years of proper books to respond to the audit. It would have been so much cheaper to just pay the correct taxes initially.

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Yara Sabbagh

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Thank you for sharing your experience. Have you found any effective ways to help clients understand the difference between legitimate business expenses and personal ones? I'm finding it hard to get through to people who seem determined to push the boundaries.

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GalaxyGlider

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I've found it helpful to walk clients through the "Ordinary and Necessary" test for business expenses. I explain that every deduction needs to pass both parts - it must be common in their industry (ordinary) and helpful for their business (necessary). Another approach that works is showing them the math on what an audit would cost versus the tax savings they're trying to achieve. When they see that a $5,000 "tax savings" could turn into a $15,000+ nightmare with penalties and professional fees, it often changes their perspective. Sometimes I also share anonymized stories about other clients who got caught (without identifying details) to make it real for them.

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I know someone who did this fake LLC thing for years and never got caught. The IRS is underfunded and overwhelmed - they audit less than 1% of returns. Just saying the risk might be lower than people are making it sound.

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Your friend got lucky, not smart. I represented a client who did this for 5 years before getting audited. When the IRS finally caught up, they went back all 5 years. The penalties and interest more than doubled what he would have originally owed. Plus, they flagged his returns for extra scrutiny for the next decade. The IRS may be slow, but they have a long memory.

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Diego Chavez

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As someone who's been doing taxes professionally for over a decade, I want to emphasize that the enforcement landscape has changed dramatically in recent years. The IRS received significant additional funding specifically for enforcement activities, and they're using advanced data analytics to identify suspicious patterns in business deductions. What your clients are doing isn't just risky - it's creating a paper trail that practically screams "audit me." The IRS has sophisticated algorithms that flag returns with unusually high business expense ratios relative to income, especially for newly formed LLCs with minimal revenue but substantial deductions. My advice: Document your concerns in writing when you advise clients against questionable deductions. If they insist on proceeding against your professional advice, consider whether the relationship is worth the potential liability. The tax preparer penalties have gotten much more severe, and ignorance isn't a defense if you had reason to know the positions were unreasonable. The peace of mind of working with honest clients is worth more than the fees from problematic ones.

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