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JaylinCharles

What's stopping people from creating fake businesses to write off taxes on their W-2 income?

I've been doing our taxes and noticed something interesting. I have a regular W-2 job while my wife drives for DoorDash. She bought a car last year for about $29,000 plus all the gas and maintenance has her operating at a loss for her self-employment work. When I was completing our taxes, I realized her business loss actually reduced our overall tax liability and increased our refund. This got me thinking - what's actually stopping people from creating completely fake businesses just to make tax write-offs against their W-2 income? Like, if someone loves buying expensive clothes or electronics, couldn't they just claim they have a "consulting business" or something vague and then write off all that stuff? I mean, my wife's legitimate business loss is helping our tax situation, so I'm curious what prevents people from abusing this system with completely fabricated businesses.

The IRS has several mechanisms to prevent exactly this kind of fraud. First, they expect businesses to eventually turn a profit. If you report losses year after year (generally for more than 3 out of 5 years), the IRS will likely classify your "business" as a hobby, and hobby losses can't offset other income. There's also the "ordinary and necessary" test for business expenses. Those luxury items would need to be genuinely required for your business operations. A fashion consultant might justify some clothing purchases, but not a software engineer. The IRS also looks for patterns in deductions and can flag returns for audit when something looks suspicious. Self-employed individuals and small business owners are audited at higher rates than W-2 employees because there's more opportunity for questionable deductions.

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Lucas Schmidt

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But how does the IRS actually know if I'm running a real business or not? Like, if I say I'm a "social media consultant" couldn't I just deduct my phone, computer, and maybe even claim part of my home as an office? Do they actually investigate small businesses or only go after bigger fish?

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The IRS expects to see evidence that you're genuinely trying to make a profit. This means having business records, receipts, separate business accounts, business cards, marketing materials, and actual clients or customers. Simply claiming to be a consultant without any supporting documentation won't hold up in an audit. For home office deductions, that space must be used exclusively for business - not your personal computer desk that you sometimes use for work. The IRS absolutely does investigate small businesses and sole proprietorships, especially those with unusual expense patterns or consistent losses offsetting W-2 income.

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Liv Park

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My accountant told me the IRS has a "hobby loss rule" specifically for this issue. If your business doesn't show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they'll assume it's a hobby not a real business. For things like horse breeding or training they give you more leeway (5 out of 7 years). Besides, committing tax fraud isn't worth it. They can hit you with penalties, interest, and in serious cases even criminal charges. The stress of waiting for that audit letter alone would kill me lol.

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JaylinCharles

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Thanks for this! I definitely wasn't thinking about trying to commit fraud - was just genuinely curious about how the system works. When I saw how my wife's legitimate business loss affected our taxes, it made me wonder what safeguards are in place. That 3-out-of-5 year rule makes a lot of sense. Also, totally agree about the stress - not worth it at all. We're making sure all of her DoorDash expenses are legitimate and well-documented. Better to pay what we fairly owe than deal with an audit!

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Just to add somethin nobody mentioned - the IRS also uses a scoring system called DIF (Discriminant Function) that assigns points to tax returns that have unusual patterns or high amounts of deductions comparred to income. High DIF score = higher chance of audit. So even if you think your writing off a bunch of personal stuff as "business expenses" is a good idea, you might be raising your DIF score without realizing it. IRS computers are looking for patterns, not just random returns.

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Ryder Greene

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Is there any way to know what your DIF score is? Or what specific deductions trigger it? I have a legitimate small business but now I'm paranoid lol

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ThunderBolt7

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The IRS doesn't release DIF scores or the specific formulas they use - that would basically be giving people a roadmap to game the system. But generally speaking, they look for things like unusually high deductions relative to income, consistent losses year after year, or expense categories that seem out of line for your type of business. If you have a legitimate business, just focus on proper documentation and only deducting expenses that are truly ordinary and necessary for your business operations. Keep detailed records, receipts, and be able to explain the business purpose of any deduction. That's really the best defense against any audit concerns.

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