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Lucas Adams

LLC vs S-Corp Taxes: Is the 15% tax rate difference legit or shady?

I've been running my single member LLC for about 3 years now and honestly I'm pretty happy with how simple the bookkeeping is. No employees, just me doing all my own accounting and tax stuff. But lately I've been wondering if I'm missing out on something major. Every time I get together with other business owners in my industry who have S-corps, they look at me like I'm throwing money away. After accounting for all deductions and expenses, I'm still paying roughly 28-33% of my income to taxes. Meanwhile, these S-corp folks keep bragging that they only pay 10-15% in income tax. That's like a 15-20% difference! Is this actually legit or is there something fishy going on? Are they taking risks with the IRS that I wouldn't be comfortable with? I know one business owner who claims his accountant got him down to paying almost nothing, but that sounds like a red flag to me. I like keeping things above board and sleeping well at night, but I also don't want to be the sucker paying double what everyone else is if there's a legitimate way to reduce my tax burden. Has anyone else faced this dilemma between LLC and S-corp taxation?

Harper Hill

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The tax difference is real but often misunderstood. Here's what's actually happening: With your single-member LLC, you're paying both income tax AND self-employment tax (around 15.3%) on virtually all your profits. S-corps allow you to split your money into two categories: a reasonable salary (which still gets hit with both income and employment taxes) and distributions/dividends (which only get hit with income tax, NOT self-employment tax). Your friends are likely referring to their effective tax rate after accounting for the portion of income they take as distributions. But they're not telling you the whole story - they still have to pay themselves a reasonable salary subject to employment taxes, have additional filing requirements, payroll processing costs, and potentially higher accounting fees. It's a legitimate strategy when implemented correctly, but the savings really depend on your specific situation. If you're making over $80-100K in profit, the S-corp election often makes mathematical sense despite the added complexity.

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Caden Nguyen

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What's considered a "reasonable salary" though? Could I technically pay myself minimum wage and take the rest as distributions to maximize tax savings?

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Harper Hill

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A reasonable salary is what you would pay someone else to do your job in your industry with your experience level. The IRS specifically looks for unreasonably low salaries, and it's a major audit flag. For example, if you're a consultant earning $150K in your business, but only paying yourself $30K as salary while taking $120K in distributions, that would raise red flags. If you were audited and the IRS determined your salary wasn't reasonable, they could reclassify those distributions as salary, subject them to back employment taxes, plus penalties and interest. Different industries have different standards, so it's best to research comparable positions in your field or consult with a tax professional.

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Avery Flores

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Zoe Gonzalez

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Does it actually work with non-standard business situations? I do consulting but also have some passive income streams through my LLC.

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Ashley Adams

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I'm suspicious... How much does this service cost? And can't a decent accountant tell you this information without some fancy AI tool?

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Avery Flores

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It handles complex business situations really well. The system is specifically designed to account for mixed income types like consulting plus passive income. It separates qualified business income from non-qualified and models how each would be taxed differently under various entity structures. As for the cost question, it's significantly less than what most accountants charge for a full entity analysis. I've found most accountants either give you generic advice or charge $500+ for a proper analysis. What makes this different is that it runs multiple scenarios based on growth projections too, so you can see if an S-corp makes more sense as your business grows over the next few years.

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Ashley Adams

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Just wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai site I was suspicious about. I actually ended up trying it after our discussion here, and I have to admit I was wrong. The analysis was incredibly detailed and saved me from making a costly mistake. Turns out in my particular situation (freelance graphic designer making around $95k), switching to an S-corp would have only saved me about $2,800 after accounting for the extra administrative costs - not worth the hassle for me right now. But the report showed that once I hit around $120k in profits, the math changes completely and I'd save over $7k annually. The income threshold where S-corps become worthwhile was the insight I needed. No accountant had ever given me that specific breakeven point before.

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Aaron Lee

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How does this even work? The IRS never answers their phones... is this jumping the queue somehow?

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This sounds like complete BS. No way you're getting through to the IRS in 20 mins when everyone else waits hours or days. Probably just connects you to some random call center pretending to be the IRS.

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Ok I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After dismissing it as BS, I was desperate to resolve an issue with my LLC tax filing before making any decisions about switching to an S-corp. Figured I had nothing to lose so I tried it. Got connected to an actual IRS agent in about 40 minutes (not quite the 20 they advertised but still WAY faster than my previous attempts). The agent confirmed that with my specific business structure and income level (around $135k), I'm likely overpaying by about $7-9k annually by staying as an LLC instead of electing S-corp status. She also explained exactly what documentation I'd need to justify my salary vs distributions ratio if I do make the switch. Definitely worth the call before making such a big tax decision.

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Michael Adams

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I switched from LLC to S-corp last year and it was 100% worth it for me, but my business nets around $175k. My effective tax rate went from ~32% to ~22% overall. The key things nobody tells you about S-corps: - You MUST run payroll (even if just for yourself) - Quarterly payroll filings are required - You need to maintain more formal business records - You should have a separate board meeting at least annually - You need good justification for your salary amount My accountant costs went from $800/yr to $2,400/yr but I'm still saving about $11k in taxes annually. At lower income levels the math might not work out as well.

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Natalie Wang

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Thanks for the real numbers! Do you process your own payroll or use a service? And what did you set as your salary compared to distributions?

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Michael Adams

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I use Gusto for payroll which costs about $45/month - totally worth it as they handle all the filings automatically. I've heard QuickBooks payroll is decent too but slightly more expensive. For salary vs distributions, my accountant and I settled on $90k salary and the remaining profits as distributions (so roughly $85k in distributions). We documented the decision by researching comparable salaries in my industry for someone with my experience level. We also keep documentation of all the different roles I perform in the business to justify the compensation structure.

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Noah Torres

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Just to add another perspective - I was an S-corp for 3 years and switched BACK to an LLC last year. The tax savings weren't worth the hassle for me. I'm making around $110k and only saved about $4k in taxes but: - Had to run payroll every month - Multiple extra tax filings - Separate tax return for the business - Higher accounting fees - Couldn't take certain deductions as easily - Maintained a corporate book with minutes etc Basically the "reasonable salary" requirement meant I couldn't save as much as those boasting about 10-15% rates. They're either making a TON more than me or taking risks with unreasonably low salaries.

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Samantha Hall

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This matches what my accountant told me! She said under $150k profit its rarely worth the extra work.

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Grant Vikers

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This whole thread has been really enlightening! I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - single member LLC making around $95k and constantly second-guessing whether I'm leaving money on the table. What I'm taking away from everyone's experiences is that there's no one-size-fits-all answer. It really seems like the breakeven point is somewhere around $120-150k in profits where the S-corp tax savings start to outweigh the additional complexity and costs. I appreciate everyone sharing their real numbers - especially the folks who switched back to LLC because it shows this isn't just about chasing the lowest possible tax rate. The administrative burden is real and has to factor into the decision. For now I think I'll stick with my LLC simplicity, but I'll definitely revisit this when my profits consistently hit that $120k+ range. It's good to know the tools and resources are out there when I'm ready to make an informed decision rather than just following what others are doing.

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Amara Okafor

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This is exactly where I am too! I've been wrestling with this decision for months and feeling like I'm missing out on some secret tax hack that everyone else knows about. It's reassuring to see that the reality is much more nuanced than the "just switch to S-corp and save thousands" advice you hear everywhere. The $120-150k breakeven point seems to be the common theme across multiple people's experiences here. I'm at about $85k profit right now, so sounds like I should focus on growing my business first rather than optimizing my tax structure. Plus the horror stories about payroll complexity and extra filings make me appreciate how simple my current LLC setup is. Thanks everyone for sharing the real numbers instead of just vague percentage claims!

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