Is FICA tax exemption still valid for F1 student not claiming non-resident status?
I've been in the US as an F1 student for about 3 years now (still under the 5-year limitation period). I know that I can exclude the days I was here as an exempt individual using Form 8843 for the substantial presence test and file as a non-resident. This seems optional from what I understand. The thing is, I recently got married to a US citizen, and I'm thinking it might be beneficial to file as a resident alien instead of a non-resident (to take advantage of MFJ status and certain tax credits that could help us). My university employer hasn't been withholding any FICA taxes from my stipend because of my F1 status. But I'm confused - if I choose to file as a resident alien instead of using the Form 8843 exemption, would I suddenly become liable for FICA taxes? My employer hasn't reported any FICA withholding on my W-2, and I'm worried about potential issues with the IRS. Does anyone know if the FICA exemption for F1 students is tied to actually filing as a non-resident, or is it solely based on having F1 status regardless of how I choose to file my taxes?
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Nadia Zaldivar
The FICA exemption for F1 students is actually separate from your tax filing status choice. The FICA exemption is based on your immigration status (F1) and the fact that you're a non-resident alien for FICA purposes, which is different from being a non-resident alien for income tax purposes. As an F1 student who has been in the US for less than 5 calendar years, you're considered a non-resident alien for FICA tax purposes even if you choose to be treated as a resident alien for income tax purposes. This means your employer is correct in not withholding FICA taxes from your pay. The substantial presence test and Form 8843 relate to your income tax filing status, not your FICA tax status. So you can absolutely file as a resident alien for income tax purposes (using MFJ with your US citizen spouse) while still maintaining your FICA exemption.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•So does this mean the 5-year rule applies independently to FICA? Like if I've been here for 6 years on F1, would I start paying FICA even if I file as a non-resident for income tax?
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Nadia Zaldivar
•Yes, the 5-year rule applies independently to FICA taxes. After you've been present in the US for 5 calendar years in F1 status, you'll generally become subject to FICA taxes regardless of how you file your income tax return. If you've been here for 6 years on F1, you would typically start having FICA taxes withheld from your pay, even if you somehow still qualify to file as a non-resident for income tax purposes. The FICA exemption is specifically limited to your first 5 calendar years in the US in F1 status.
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Ev Luca
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Avery Davis
•Did it actually work correctly for your situation? I'm in a similar boat (F1 visa, married to permanent resident) and the last tax software I used got confused about my status. How does taxr.ai handle the specific F1 FICA exemption vs filing status question?
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Collins Angel
•I'm skeptical about specialty tax tools. How is this different from H&R Block or TurboTax? Don't they handle international student statuses too? I've used TurboTax for years and it seems to have all the forms.
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Ev Luca
•It worked perfectly for my situation. The key difference with taxr.ai was that it specifically addressed the distinction between FICA exemption status and filing status. It correctly handled my F1 visa status documentation, ensuring I could file MFJ while preserving my FICA exemption. Regular tax software often gets confused when you try to use MFJ while maintaining certain F1 benefits. The biggest difference from standard tax software is that taxr.ai specializes in complex international situations like visa statuses, foreign income, and treaty benefits. While TurboTax and others have the forms, they don't always correctly interpret the relationships between immigration status and tax status. Their AI actually knew about the specific IRS revenue procedure that separates FICA exemption from income tax filing status.
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Avery Davis
Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after seeing this thread and I'm really impressed! It correctly handled my situation (F1 visa in year 4, married to permanent resident) and confirmed I could file jointly while keeping my FICA exemption. What really stood out was how it explained the distinction between tax residency for income tax vs. FICA purposes. My university's international office had given me conflicting information, but taxr.ai provided references to the exact IRS publications that applied to my situation. I ended up saving around $3,800 by filing jointly with my spouse while properly maintaining my FICA exemption!
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Marcelle Drum
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Tate Jensen
•Wait, how does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? I don't understand how a third party service can get through when I can't.
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Collins Angel
•Yeah right. The IRS phone system is completely broken. I find it hard to believe any service can actually get through when millions of people can't. This sounds like a scam to get desperate people's money.
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Marcelle Drum
•They don't call for you - they secure your place in the IRS phone queue and then call you when they have an IRS representative on the line. Their system navigates the complicated IRS phone tree and holds your place so you don't have to sit there listening to hold music for hours. When they have an actual human IRS agent, they connect you directly to them. It works because they have developed technology specifically to navigate the IRS phone systems efficiently. It's not about "cutting the line" - it's about having a system that can persistently stay on hold and navigate the complex phone tree options without a human having to sit there the whole time. I was skeptical too until I tried it and got connected to an actual IRS person who answered my specific F1 FICA questions.
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Collins Angel
I have to eat my words. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr because I was desperate to resolve my own F1 tax status confusion before the filing deadline. I couldn't believe it, but I was actually connected to an IRS specialist in about 25 minutes! The agent confirmed exactly what others have said here - the FICA exemption for F1 students is based on your immigration status and length of stay (under 5 calendar years), NOT on whether you choose to file as a resident or non-resident for income tax purposes. She even referenced the specific IRS publication that covers this distinction. I've been trying to call the IRS for weeks with no success. This saved me from making a potentially expensive mistake on my taxes. I'm genuinely shocked it worked so well.
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Adaline Wong
Just to add - I'm a tax preparer who works with many international students. The IRS treats FICA exemption separately from income tax filing status. Look at IRS Publication 519, specifically the section on Foreign Students and Exchange Visitors. Your FICA exemption comes from Section 3121(b)(19) of the Internal Revenue Code and Revenue Procedure 87-8, which exempts services performed by F-1 students from FICA taxes if they're non-residents for FICA purposes. You remain a non-resident for FICA as long as you maintain F-1 status AND have been in the US for fewer than 5 calendar years. So filing MFJ won't impact your FICA exemption at all. Your employer is correctly not withholding FICA.
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Rajan Walker
•Thank you all so much for the detailed answers! This clears up my confusion completely. It's really helpful to know that I can file MFJ with my spouse to take advantage of those tax benefits while still maintaining my FICA exemption based on my F1 status and being here less than 5 years. I'll make sure to keep track of when I hit that 5-year mark so I can notify my employer when FICA withholding should begin. This has been super helpful!
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Gabriel Ruiz
Has anyone had experience with what happens AFTER the 5 calendar years? Do you need to notify your university employer or will they automatically start withholding FICA? My 5 years is coming up next semester and I'm worried about this.
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Adaline Wong
•In my experience working with international students, most university payroll systems don't automatically track when your 5-year FICA exemption expires. You should definitely notify your payroll department a month before you hit that 5-year mark. If they don't start withholding properly, you could end up owing both your portion AND the employer portion of FICA taxes when you file your return, which can be a significant unexpected expense.
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Mei Lin
This is such a helpful thread! I'm also an F1 student (year 2) married to a US citizen and was completely confused about this exact issue. Reading through everyone's experiences has been really reassuring. One thing I want to add - when I spoke with my university's international student services office about this, they actually weren't sure about the distinction between FICA exemption and filing status either. It seems like this is a pretty common area of confusion even among advisors. For anyone in a similar situation, I'd recommend getting documentation of your F1 status dates and keeping good records of when you first arrived in the US. The 5-year countdown is based on calendar years, not academic years, so it's important to track this carefully. My advisor suggested keeping a simple spreadsheet with arrival date, visa status changes, and any periods when I left the US for extended periods. It's great to know that I can take advantage of MFJ filing while keeping my FICA exemption - that could save us quite a bit on our taxes this year!
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Tony Brooks
•This is really great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm also an F1 student (just started year 1) and hadn't thought about tracking this so carefully. The calendar year vs academic year distinction is something I definitely need to note. Quick question - when you say "extended periods" of leaving the US, do you know if short trips home during winter/summer breaks affect the 5-year countdown at all? Or is it literally just based on which calendar years you were present in F1 status regardless of brief departures? Also, thanks to everyone who shared info about the tax tools and IRS contact services. As someone new to the US tax system, this whole thread has been incredibly educational!
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