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Chloe Robinson

Filing taxes as a resident on F1 Visa - can married couples file jointly without substantial presence test?

I've been living in the US since mid-2021 on an F1 visa and have been filing taxes as a non-resident alien each year. Currently I'm working on my F1 OPT. Last year (2023) I got married to my partner who was also an F1 student, and we're trying to figure out our tax situation for 2025. We spoke with a tax consultant because we heard filing jointly might save us money. The consultant told us that as non-resident aliens, we can't file jointly or claim any tuition fee tax deductions. But then they mentioned we could possibly file as residents which would allow us to file together. I pointed out that we wouldn't pass the substantial presence test, but they said we could still file as residents somehow? This seems confusing to me. Another concern I have is that as F1 students, we haven't been paying Social Security or Medicare taxes. If we suddenly file as residents, would we be liable for these taxes retroactively? Has anyone been in a similar situation? Is there actually some way to qualify as tax residents without meeting the substantial presence test? And what would happen with Social Security and Medicare taxes if we did file as residents? Any advice would be super helpful!

Diego Chavez

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The tax consultant might be referring to the "First-Year Choice" election (also called the "Closer Connection Exception"), which allows some nonresident aliens to be treated as residents for tax purposes. For this to work, you must meet several conditions: 1) You must be a nonresident alien in one year and a resident alien the next year under the substantial presence test. 2) You must be physically present in the US for at least 31 consecutive days in the year you want to make the election. 3) You must be present in the US for at least 75% of the days starting with your 31-day period and ending with the last day of the year. Regarding Social Security and Medicare taxes - F1 students who have been in the US for less than 5 calendar years are generally exempt from these taxes on wages earned in connection with their studies. However, if you're working on OPT, you might already be paying these taxes on your current wages. Filing as a resident won't create retroactive liability for previous years when you were exempt. I'd recommend getting a second opinion from another tax professional who specializes in international student taxation before proceeding.

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NeonNebula

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Does this First-Year Choice thing actually work if both people are on F1 visas? I thought F1 students are considered "exempt individuals" and those days don't count toward the substantial presence test regardless?

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Diego Chavez

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You're absolutely right that F1 students are considered "exempt individuals" for the first 5 calendar years in the US, and those days don't count toward the substantial presence test. This is exactly why the tax situation becomes complex. After 5 calendar years, F1 students begin to have their days of presence counted toward the substantial presence test. If either you or your spouse has been in the US for more than 5 calendar years, that person might qualify as a resident alien under the substantial presence test. In that case, you could potentially file jointly if the resident spouse makes an election to treat the nonresident spouse as a resident for tax purposes.

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Sean Kelly

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Did they explain what form you need to file for this election thing? And how complicated was the process? My husband and I are in a similar situation and trying to figure out if the savings are worth the hassle.

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Curious if taxr.ai actually handles the filing for you or just gives recommendations? I've had issues with international tax situations where advisors give advice but then I'm still stuck trying to figure out how to actually submit everything correctly.

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You'll need to file Form 8840 (Closer Connection Exception Statement) and attach a statement to your tax return explaining the election. The process wasn't overly complicated once I understood the requirements - took maybe an extra hour of preparation time. They don't handle the actual filing for you - it's more of an analysis and guidance tool. You'll get a detailed report with recommendations that you can implement yourself through any tax filing software or give to your tax preparer. I used the report with TurboTax and was able to complete everything correctly. The documentation they provided made it clear exactly what forms and statements were needed.

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Sean Kelly

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GalaxyGazer

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Mateo Sanchez

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Something no one has mentioned yet - if you choose to be treated as a resident for tax purposes, you'll need to report your WORLDWIDE income, not just US-source income. This includes any bank accounts, investments, or property you have in your home country. If you have significant assets or income outside the US, this could potentially increase your tax liability beyond what you'd save by filing jointly. You'd also need to file FBAR forms if you have foreign bank accounts with combined balances over $10,000 at any point during the year.

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Thats a really good point I hadn't considered! We do have some small investments back home but nothing substantial. Do you know if theres a threshold for foreign income reporting? Like if its only a few hundred dollars in interest does it still need to be declared?

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Mateo Sanchez

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There's no minimum threshold for reporting foreign income - you need to report all of it regardless of the amount. Even a few hundred dollars in interest needs to be declared on your tax return. However, there are mechanisms to prevent double taxation. The Foreign Tax Credit allows you to offset US tax with any tax you've already paid to a foreign government on that income. Alternatively, the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion might apply in some cases, though this is more relevant for US citizens living abroad.

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Aisha Mahmood

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Just FYI - I've been on F1 for 7 years now and file as a resident. The tuition and education credits alone saved me over $1500 last year. Definitely worth looking into if either of you has been here more than 5 years.

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Ethan Moore

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Which education credits were you able to claim? I thought the American Opportunity Credit is only for undergrads, and Lifetime Learning Credit has income limitations?

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