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Carmen Ruiz

Can I file taxes jointly as a resident on F1 Visa without passing substantial presence test?

I've been in the US since Aug 2021 on an F1 visa and have been filing taxes as a non-resident alien all this time. Currently working through my F1 OPT program at a marketing agency. My husband and I got married last year (July 2023), and he's also on an F1 visa finishing his Master's program. We recently talked to a tax consultant about filing our taxes together since we heard it could save us some money. The consultant mentioned we wouldn't be able to file jointly or claim any tuition tax deductions as non-resident aliens. But then they said we could potentially file as residents and do a combined filing. I specifically asked about the substantial presence test since I know we wouldn't pass it yet, but they insisted we could still file as residents somehow? This seems contradictory to everything I've read online. One concern I have is that being on F1 visas, we haven't paid any social security or medicare taxes. If we suddenly file as residents, would we be liable for those taxes retroactively? Has anyone been through a similar situation with F1 visas and marriage? Is there actually another way to qualify as residents for tax purposes besides the substantial presence test? Any advice would be super helpful because I'm really confused right now!

I can help clarify this situation for you! There is indeed another way to qualify as a tax resident besides the substantial presence test - it's called making a "First-Year Choice Election" under Section 7701(b)(4). As F1 visa holders, you're generally considered exempt individuals for the substantial presence test for the first 5 calendar years. However, if you're married to a US citizen or resident, you could file Form 8840 to make an election to be treated as a resident for tax purposes. But that doesn't seem to apply in your case since you mentioned your spouse is also on an F1 visa. The consultant might have been referring to something called the "Closer Connection Exception" which sometimes applies, but has specific requirements. Regarding social security and medicare taxes - F1 students and OPT participants are generally exempt from these taxes when working in positions directly related to their course of study. Filing as a resident for income tax purposes doesn't automatically change your FICA tax status. I'd recommend getting a second opinion from another tax professional who specializes in international student taxation. The rules are complex and the consequences of filing incorrectly can be significant.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! I've never heard of the First-Year Choice Election before. But you're right that it wouldn't apply since neither of us is a US citizen or resident already. Does the Closer Connection Exception allow joint filing though? And if we did somehow qualify to file as residents, would we get to claim education credits for my husband's tuition that we can't claim as non-residents?

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The Closer Connection Exception actually doesn't allow you to be treated as a resident for tax purposes - it does the opposite by allowing you to be treated as a non-resident even if you meet the substantial presence test. So that wouldn't help with joint filing. Education credits like the American Opportunity Credit and Lifetime Learning Credit are only available to residents for tax purposes. If you could legally file as residents, then yes, you could potentially claim these credits for your husband's qualified education expenses, which can be significant savings. But you need a legitimate basis to claim resident status first.

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Amara Eze

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You mentioned your partner is a student - you should know that as non-residents, you can still claim a deduction (not a credit) for qualified tuition and related expenses on Form 1040NR. It's not as valuable as the education credits available to residents, but it's something. Also, while you can't file jointly as non-residents, you each need to file separate 1040NR forms, and the standard deduction for non-residents is significantly lower. That's probably why your tax consultant suggested filing as residents - the tax benefits can be substantial. But be very careful here. Filing incorrectly can have serious consequences for your immigration status. I'd recommend consulting with a university international student office tax advisor who specifically deals with F1 visa tax issues.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for mentioning the tuition deduction! I had no idea that was still available for non-residents. Do you know which form we need to use specifically for claiming that? And roughly how much tax benefit it provides compared to the education credits?

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Amara Eze

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You'll need to use Form 8917 (Tuition and Fees Deduction) along with your 1040NR. As a deduction, it reduces your taxable income rather than directly reducing your tax like a credit would. The value depends on your tax bracket, but generally it's worth less than the American Opportunity Credit (which can be up to $2,500) or the Lifetime Learning Credit (up to $2,000). For example, if you're in the 22% tax bracket and deduct $4,000 in qualified expenses, that's only about $880 in tax savings versus the $2,000-2,500 you might get from credits.

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I work in international student services at a university and see this question frequently. There's one important detail no one has mentioned yet - the "substantial presence test" counts days differently for F1 students. For the first 5 calendar years you're in the US in F1 status, you're considered an "exempt individual" and those days don't count toward the substantial presence test. After that 5-year period, your days start counting, and many F1 students who've been here longer actually do qualify as residents for tax purposes. When exactly did you arrive in 2021? If it was early in the year, you might be approaching that 5-year mark where your status could change.

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This is super helpful! I'm not OP but I've been here on F1 since Feb 2019. Does that mean 2023 was my 5th calendar year and for 2024 taxes I'll be considered a resident? My tax preparer never mentioned this!

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for this insight! I arrived in August 2021, so if I'm counting correctly, my 5 calendar years would be 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. So I'd potentially qualify as a resident for tax purposes in 2026 when filing for the 2025 tax year? The tax consultant made it sound like we could choose to be residents right now, which seemed off to me. Sounds like we definitely need to file as non-residents for our 2023 taxes.

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I'm also on F1 OPT and went through a similar confusion last year! Your tax consultant seems to be mixing up different concepts. There's no way to just "choose" to be a resident for tax purposes when you're on F1 status and haven't met the substantial presence test yet. What they might be thinking of is the Section 6013(g) election, which allows a non-resident alien married to a US citizen or resident to elect to be treated as a resident for tax purposes. But this only works if ONE spouse is already a US citizen or resident - since you're both on F1 visas, this doesn't apply. The substantial presence test exemption for F1 students is very clear - you're exempt for your first 5 calendar years in F1 status, and there's no way around that. Filing incorrectly could cause serious problems with USCIS later when you apply for status changes. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in international taxation, preferably one recommended by your university's international student office. The potential tax savings from joint filing aren't worth the risk of immigration complications down the road. Also, don't forget that as F1 students, you may be eligible for certain tax treaty benefits depending on your country of citizenship that could reduce your tax liability even as non-residents.

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Omar Farouk

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This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was looking for! The Section 6013(g) election sounds like what the tax consultant was confused about. It's frustrating when tax preparers don't fully understand the nuances of F1 visa taxation. You mentioned tax treaty benefits - do you know if there are specific treaties that could help with education expenses or other deductions for F1 students? I'm originally from Mexico, so I'm wondering if the US-Mexico tax treaty has any provisions that might be relevant to our situation. Also, did you end up finding a good CPA through your university's international office? I'm starting to think that's the safest route rather than trying to navigate this on our own.

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