Need help with Dual Status Resident filing - can my spouse and I file jointly?
Hey everyone, I've got a question about our weird tax situation this year. My husband and I moved to the US around April last year on L1/L2 visas. We were physically present in the US for well over 183 days in 2023, so we pass the substantial presence test. Here's where it gets tricky - I had to file as a Non-Resident for 2022 because I had some US-source income while still living abroad. For the first 3-4 months of 2023 (before we relocated), both my husband and I had foreign income from our jobs overseas. I've been digging through IRS info and saw that dual-status aliens usually can't file "Married Filing Jointly," but then I spotted this exception on the IRS website: > You cannot file a joint return. However, a dual-status alien who is married to a U.S. citizen or a resident alien may elect to file a joint return with his or her spouse. Refer to Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident for more information. What's confusing me is - since my husband and I both moved here at the same time and have identical residency situations (dual-status for 2023), do we qualify for this exception? Does he need to be a resident alien for the entire year or just part of the year for us to use this option? We really want to file jointly if possible because our foreign income from early 2023 pushes us into a higher tax bracket when combined. Any help would be super appreciated! Tax season is stressing me out! Thanks!
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Ethan Campbell
The exception you're referring to is actually for when one spouse is a U.S. citizen or resident alien for the ENTIRE tax year and the other spouse is a dual-status alien. Since both you and your husband are dual-status aliens for 2023 (part-year residents), you don't qualify for that particular exception. However, there's good news! You both can make what's called a "First-Year Choice" election under section 7701(b)(4) of the tax code. This allows you to be treated as U.S. residents for the ENTIRE year if you meet certain conditions. You'd both need to be U.S. residents under the substantial presence test for the year following your arrival (which would be 2024), and you must be in the U.S. for at least 31 consecutive days in 2023. If you make this election, you can file jointly for 2023, but you'll need to report your worldwide income for the entire year - both before and after moving to the U.S. You'd file Form 1040 with a statement attached explaining your election. The main consideration is whether this is advantageous compared to filing as dual-status aliens (which typically means filing separate returns with Form 1040-NR for part of the year). Run the calculations both ways to see which results in lower total tax.
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Aisha Mohammed
•Thank you for this detailed explanation! I had no idea about the "First-Year Choice" election. Just to clarify, if we make this election, we'd have to include ALL our worldwide income from the entire year of 2023 on our US taxes, correct? And we would file Form 1040 instead of dealing with the dual-status alien forms? Also, does making this election have any implications for state tax filing? We're in California if that matters.
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Ethan Campbell
•Yes, if you make the First-Year Choice election, you must include ALL worldwide income for the entire 2023 year on your US tax return, even income earned before you physically moved to the US. You would file a regular Form 1040 as if you were US residents the whole year, and you can file jointly as a married couple. For California state taxes, the rules generally follow federal residency status. If you make the federal election to be treated as full-year residents, California will typically treat you the same way. However, California has its own residency rules and taxation system, so you'd need to report income based on when you became California residents. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional familiar with California's specific rules for new residents.
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Yuki Watanabe
Just wanted to share that I was in a nearly identical situation last year with my L1 visa. I spent hours trying to figure out the right way to file until I discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which literally saved me from making a huge mistake with my dual status filing. I uploaded my tax documents and previous returns, and the AI immediately identified that I qualified for the First-Year Choice election that the previous commenter mentioned. It walked me through the required statements I needed to attach to my return and showed me a side-by-side comparison of filing as dual-status vs. making the election. The best part was that it explained all the foreign income reporting requirements that apply when you make this election (FBAR, FATCA, etc.) that I had no clue about. Might be worth checking out if you're confused about how to handle your situation properly.
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Carmen Sanchez
•How does this actually work? Is it just some kind of chatbot that answers tax questions or does it actually help prepare your return? I'm in a similar situation (moved on H1B mid last year) and trying to figure out if I should make this First-Year Choice election thing.
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Andre Dupont
•I'm skeptical about using AI for something as important as taxes. How accurate is it really, especially for complicated international situations? Did you double-check their advice with a real tax professional? Not trying to be negative, just cautious.
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Yuki Watanabe
•It's not just a chatbot - it analyzes your actual tax documents and prior returns to give personalized advice. It doesn't prepare your return directly, but it tells you exactly what forms you need and how to fill them out. I used the guidance to complete my return in TurboTax. For your skepticism, I totally understand being cautious. I actually did have an accountant review everything afterward, and they confirmed the advice was correct. The nice thing was I saved a ton on prep fees since I only needed the accountant to review rather than do all the work from scratch. The AI is specifically trained on international tax situations, which is why it was so helpful for my L1 visa case.
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Carmen Sanchez
Just wanted to update everyone. I tried taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and it was honestly better than I expected. I uploaded my documents and it immediately identified that I should use the First-Year Choice election. It explained exactly how to file Form 1040 with my foreign income included and showed me which tax treaties might apply to my specific situation (I'm from Germany). The system even generated the statement I needed to attach to my return explaining my election, which saved me hours of research. For anyone else dealing with dual status issues, it's definitely worth checking out. I was planning to pay an international tax specialist $600+ but managed to file correctly on my own using the guidance.
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Zoe Papadakis
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ThunderBolt7
•How does this work? The IRS phone lines are impossible to get through - I've been trying for weeks. Are you saying this service somehow jumps the queue? That sounds too good to be true.
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Jamal Edwards
•This seems sketchy. Why would I pay a third party to call the IRS for me? And how can they possibly get through when the IRS phone lines are consistently busy? I'd rather just hire a professional tax preparer than trust some service claiming to have a "secret" way to reach the IRS.
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Zoe Papadakis
•The service uses an automated system that continually redials the IRS until it gets through, then it calls you when an agent is on the line. It's not skipping any queues - it's just handling the frustrating wait time for you so you don't have to sit with your phone for hours. Regarding hiring a professional, that's definitely an option, but even tax professionals sometimes need clarification directly from the IRS on complex situations like dual status filings. The service costs a fraction of what you'd pay for a tax pro, and you get information straight from the source. I was skeptical too until I tried it and got connected in 15 minutes after trying unsuccessfully for days on my own.
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Jamal Edwards
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Mei Chen
Just wanted to add another perspective on the First-Year Choice election. My wife and I were in your exact situation last year (L1/L2 visas, moved mid-year) and we did make the election to be treated as full-year residents. The pros were that we could file jointly and take advantage of certain credits and deductions that aren't available to nonresidents. The cons were that we had to report our worldwide income for the entire year, including the months before moving to the US. One thing to consider: check if there's a tax treaty between your home country and the US. We're from the UK, and the tax treaty helped us avoid double taxation on our pre-US income. We still had to report it all, but we got foreign tax credits for taxes paid to the UK. Also, don't forget about FBAR filing requirements if you had foreign bank accounts with a combined value over $10,000 at any point during the year. That's completely separate from your tax return but mandatory if you're considered a US person for tax purposes.
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Aisha Mohammed
•Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you find that making the election resulted in a lower overall tax bill compared to filing as dual-status? We're trying to figure out which approach would be more beneficial. Also, did you have to file any special forms for your foreign accounts beyond the FBAR?
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Mei Chen
•For us, making the election did result in a lower tax bill primarily because we could file jointly and qualify for certain deductions that offset the additional tax on our foreign income. The standard deduction alone made a big difference. Yes, beyond FBAR we also had to file Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) since our foreign accounts exceeded the reporting threshold. And we filed Form 1116 for Foreign Tax Credits to avoid double taxation on our UK income. If you had any foreign investments, you might also need forms like 8621 for foreign mutual funds or 3520 for certain foreign trusts. I highly recommend calculating your taxes both ways (dual status vs. making the election) before deciding. For us, the joint filing benefits outweighed the drawbacks, but everyone's situation is different depending on how much foreign income you had and what country it came from.
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Liam O'Sullivan
Quick tip - if both you and your spouse are in the exact same situation (both dual status aliens for the same part of year), you might also want to look into something called the "Substantial Presence Test Safe Harbor." If you were present in the US for fewer than 183 days in the current year but will have substantial presence next year, this might give you additional options. In some cases, it might actually be MORE beneficial NOT to make the First-Year Choice election depending on your specific income situation. The key is to calculate your taxes both ways. Also, definitely look at what tax credits you'd be eligible for if filing jointly vs. separately. Things like Child Tax Credit, education credits, etc., can make a big difference in which filing method saves you more.
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Amara Okonkwo
•I think you're mixing up concepts. The "Substantial Presence Test Safe Harbor" isn't really a thing - you might be thinking of the "Closer Connection Exception" which lets nonresidents avoid being treated as residents even if they meet the substantial presence test. But that wouldn't apply here since they WANT to be treated as residents to file jointly. The First-Year Choice election is their best option if they want to file jointly.
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Oliver Schulz
I went through this exact situation two years ago when my husband and I moved on H1B/H4 visas mid-year. The First-Year Choice election that others mentioned is definitely your best bet for filing jointly. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you understand the implications for future years too. Once you make the First-Year Choice election, you're committed to being treated as a US resident for tax purposes going forward (as long as you remain in the US). This means you'll always need to report worldwide income and comply with all the foreign account reporting requirements. Also, timing matters for the election. You need to make it by the due date of your return (including extensions), and you can't revoke it later. So definitely run those calculations comparing dual-status filing vs. the election before you decide. One more tip - if you do make the election, keep excellent records of what foreign taxes you paid in early 2023 before moving. You'll need those for Form 1116 to claim foreign tax credits and avoid double taxation. The IRS can be very particular about the documentation for foreign tax credits. Good luck! The first year of US taxes as an immigrant is definitely overwhelming, but it gets easier once you understand the system.
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NeonNebula
•This is really helpful advice, especially about keeping records of foreign taxes paid! I'm curious about one thing - when you mention being "committed to being treated as a US resident for tax purposes going forward," does that mean even if we eventually move back to our home country, we'd still have to file US tax returns and report worldwide income? Or does that commitment only last as long as we remain US residents under the substantial presence test? Also, did you find any particular challenges with the foreign tax credit calculations? I'm worried about getting the Form 1116 wrong since our foreign income came from multiple sources (salary, some freelance work, and a small amount of investment income) in the months before we moved.
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