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Camila Jordan

How do you calculate salvage value for depreciation on real estate property?

I'm trying to figure out how to properly determine salvage value for depreciation purposes, especially for some commercial real estate I recently purchased. I understand that salvage value should be the amount you can get for the asset by selling or scrapping it at the end of its useful life. But I'm struggling to find clear guidance online about how to actually calculate this for real property. For equipment and vehicles, it seems more straightforward - you can look at resale markets. But for buildings? Do I just make up a reasonable number? My CPA is out of town for two weeks, and I need to get this figured out for some tax planning. Does anyone have experience with this or know where I can find reliable information?

Tyler Lefleur

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This is a good question, and one that often causes confusion. For tax purposes (assuming you're in the US), you actually don't need to worry about salvage value when depreciating real property. The IRS allows you to depreciate the entire basis of the building over its recovery period without considering salvage value. For residential rental property, you'd use a 27.5-year recovery period, and for commercial real estate, it's typically 39 years. Land is never depreciable, so you need to allocate your purchase price between land and buildings first. The IRS basically assumes a zero salvage value for real property in their depreciation calculations. You'll use either the straight-line method or, in some cases, an accelerated method if qualified.

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Wait, so there's no need to estimate what the building will be worth in 40 years? That's a relief because who knows what anything will be worth that far out. But what about for financial reporting purposes if this isn't just for taxes? Would you need salvage value then?

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Tyler Lefleur

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For tax purposes, you're right - no need to estimate future value. The IRS depreciation system (MACRS) for real property assumes you're depreciating the full basis of the building. For financial reporting purposes (GAAP), it's different. Under GAAP, you would need to estimate a reasonable salvage value and useful life based on your best judgment. Many companies might use 30-50 years for useful life of buildings and estimate a salvage value based on factors like location, construction quality, and expected market conditions. Since this is subjective, companies often document their methodology and apply it consistently.

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Max Knight

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Emma Swift

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Does it actually help with component depreciation or cost segregation studies? Those can really accelerate depreciation but are complicated to DIY.

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. Does it really provide better information than just talking to a CPA who specializes in real estate? How accurate is the information?

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Max Knight

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Jayden Hill

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LordCommander

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Lucy Lam

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For real property, you should also look into cost segregation if you haven't already. It's a way to accelerate depreciation by breaking down your property into different components that depreciate faster than the standard 27.5 or 39 years. Things like carpet, fixtures, some electrical systems can depreciate over 5-7 years instead. Typically need an engineering report to back it up though.

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Camila Jordan

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I've heard about cost segregation but wasn't sure if it applied to smaller properties. Mine is a $1.2M mixed-use building - is that too small to make the engineering study worthwhile? What's the typical cost for a study?

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Lucy Lam

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For a $1.2M mixed-use property, cost segregation can definitely make sense. The rule of thumb I've seen is that properties valued at $1M+ typically generate enough tax savings to justify the cost of the study. The cost for a study on a property your size might run between $5,000-$8,000, but the first-year tax savings often exceeds that amount, especially with bonus depreciation currently available. Mixed-use properties actually tend to have more components that qualify for accelerated depreciation compared to single-use buildings, so you might see even better results.

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Aidan Hudson

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Just want to point out something nobody mentioned yet - don't forget about Section 179! If parts of your property qualify (like appliances, carpet, furniture in common areas, etc.) you might be able to expense them immediately rather than depreciating. I'm not a tax pro tho, so double check this.

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Zoe Wang

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Section 179 doesn't apply to buildings or structural components though. It's mostly for tangible personal property used in business. You're thinking of bonus depreciation maybe?

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Thanks for all the detailed responses everyone! This has been incredibly helpful. I had no idea that for tax purposes, the IRS essentially treats salvage value as zero for real property depreciation. That simplifies things significantly. @Tyler Lefleur - your explanation about the difference between tax depreciation (MACRS) and financial reporting (GAAP) was particularly useful. Since I'm primarily concerned with tax planning right now, it sounds like I can move forward with straight-line depreciation over 39 years for the building portion without worrying about estimating future salvage value. The cost segregation discussion has me intrigued too. For a $1.2M property, it sounds like it could be worth exploring, especially if I can accelerate depreciation on components like flooring, fixtures, and electrical systems. I'll definitely bring this up with my CPA when they return. One quick follow-up question - when allocating the purchase price between land and building, is there a standard method the IRS expects, or is it based on property tax assessments?

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Yara Nassar

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Great question about land/building allocation! There are several acceptable methods the IRS recognizes. Property tax assessments are one common approach - you can use the ratio of assessed land value to total assessed value and apply that percentage to your purchase price. Another method is getting an appraisal that specifically breaks down land vs. improvement values. Some people also use comparable land sales in the area to estimate land value and subtract that from the total purchase price. The key is being reasonable and consistent with whichever method you choose, and keeping good documentation to support your allocation. The IRS doesn't mandate one specific method, but they do expect it to reflect fair market values. Your CPA will probably have experience with what works best in your local market.

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Yuki Tanaka

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I'm a newer property owner and this thread has been a goldmine of information! Just wanted to add that when I was dealing with similar depreciation questions last year, I found Publication 946 (How to Depreciate Property) from the IRS to be really helpful for understanding the basics. It's free on their website and walks through all the different depreciation methods and rules for real property. One thing that caught me off guard was learning about the mid-month convention for real property - basically you can only claim half a month's depreciation for the month you place the property in service, regardless of which day of the month you actually bought it. Small detail but it affects your first year calculations. Also seconding the cost segregation discussion - even if you don't do a full engineering study right away, it's worth understanding the concept because you can always do it later and claim "catch-up" depreciation for prior years using Form 3115. The window doesn't close just because you didn't do it in year one.

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TommyKapitz

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Thanks for mentioning Publication 946 - I was just about to look that up! The mid-month convention is exactly the kind of detail I would have missed. So if I bought my property on March 3rd, I can only claim half a month of depreciation for March in my first year? That's good to know for my calculations. The catch-up depreciation option is really interesting too. So even if I start with basic straight-line depreciation now, I could potentially do a cost segregation study in year 2 or 3 and still get the benefit of the accelerated depreciation I "missed" in prior years? That takes some pressure off having to make all these decisions immediately while my CPA is unavailable.

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact same confusion when I first got into real estate investing. The salvage value question really threw me for a loop too, because it seems like such a fundamental part of depreciation in theory, but then you find out the IRS basically ignores it for real property! One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're being conservative with your land/building allocation. I initially tried to minimize the land portion to maximize my depreciable basis, but my accountant warned me that being too aggressive could trigger scrutiny. The property tax assessment method mentioned by others is solid because it's defensible and based on third-party valuations. Also, if you're planning to hold this property long-term, don't forget about depreciation recapture when you eventually sell. All that depreciation you're claiming now will be taxed at up to 25% when you sell, even if the rest of your gain qualifies for lower capital gains rates. It's still worth taking the depreciation (better to have the deduction now and pay later), but good to plan for it. The IRS publications mentioned are definitely worth reading, but honestly, having a good CPA who specializes in real estate is invaluable. The rules get complex fast, especially when you start looking at things like cost segregation, Section 1031 exchanges, and passive activity limitations.

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Sofia Morales

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive overview I needed as someone just getting started with real estate depreciation! The point about being conservative with land/building allocation is particularly valuable - I can see how it would be tempting to minimize land value to maximize depreciation, but triggering an audit definitely isn't worth the risk. The depreciation recapture warning is something I hadn't fully considered either. So essentially, I'm borrowing tax savings from my future self when I sell, but at least I get the time value benefit of having those deductions now rather than later. Your point about having a CPA who specializes in real estate really resonates. Even with all the great information in this thread, I can already tell there are so many interconnected rules and strategies that having professional guidance will be essential. I'll definitely make sure to find someone with specific real estate experience when my current CPA gets back or if I need to find someone new.

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who's been dealing with similar real estate tax questions, I wanted to add a few practical tips from my experience: First, when you're doing that land/building allocation, don't overlook getting a professional appraisal if the numbers are significant. Yes, it costs money upfront, but having that third-party validation can be worth it if the IRS ever questions your allocation. I learned this after initially relying solely on property tax assessments and later wishing I had stronger documentation. Second, regarding the cost segregation discussion - if you're not ready to invest in a full engineering study right away, you can still do some basic component identification yourself. Things like carpeting, window treatments, removable fixtures, and specialized lighting often qualify for 5-7 year depreciation instead of the full 39. Just document everything well and be prepared to justify your classifications. Finally, I'd recommend setting up a good record-keeping system now for all your property-related expenses and improvements. When you eventually do sell or do a cost segregation study, having detailed records of what you spent on various components will be invaluable. I use a simple spreadsheet that tracks each expense by category and depreciation class - saves tons of headaches later. The tax planning benefits of understanding these depreciation rules properly are huge, especially when you start scaling up to multiple properties. Worth the time investment to get it right from the beginning!

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This is incredibly helpful advice! The point about getting a professional appraisal for stronger documentation really makes sense, especially for larger properties where the allocation could make a significant difference in depreciation deductions. I'm curious though - when you mention doing basic component identification yourself before investing in a full cost segregation study, how detailed do you need to get with the documentation? Is it sufficient to have photos and purchase receipts, or does the IRS expect more technical specifications for things like specialized lighting and fixtures? I want to make sure I'm setting myself up properly from the start without going overboard on documentation that might not be necessary.

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