Help with Form 4868 - struggling to estimate tax liability without W2 from unresponsive employer
I'm trying to file for an extension using Form 4868 but I'm completely stuck on estimating my total tax liability. This is my first time dealing with taxes on my own, and my situation is a mess. My former employer hasn't sent my W2 to my new address despite multiple attempts to contact them. I've left at least 8 voicemails, sent 5 emails, and called during business hours repeatedly over the past month, but they're completely ghosting me. I don't have any paystubs either since they only did direct deposit and never provided paper statements. All I can see are the bank deposits, but those don't show the tax withholdings. I started inputting what info I do have into TurboTax, but without the W2 data, it's obviously incomplete. I'm also trying to get the IRS to notify my employer, but realistically that won't happen before the filing deadline. For Form 4868, should I just use whatever amount TurboTax calculates based on my partial information, or should I try to make an educated guess based on my bank deposits? I'm worried about penalties if my estimate is way off. Anyone been in a similar situation?
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Zoe Papadakis
You're in a tough spot, but you do have some options. For Form 4868, you should make a good-faith estimate of your tax liability, but the extension itself will be granted even if your estimate isn't perfect. First, check if you can access your wage information through the IRS. You can request a Wage and Income Transcript online through the IRS website which would show the information from your W-2. This might be faster than waiting for your employer. If that's not possible in time, use your bank deposits to estimate your income, then estimate taxes based on that. Look at your last paycheck from the previous year if you have it - the withholding percentage might be similar. TurboTax's incomplete calculation could also be a starting point. Remember, Form 4868 extends your time to file, but not your time to pay. If you end up owing more than you pay with the extension, you might face some interest charges, but you won't face the much larger failure-to-file penalties.
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ThunderBolt7
•Thanks for the advice! I tried requesting the Wage and Income Transcript online but it says it might not show current year information until July. Is there a faster way to get this? And if I estimate based on bank deposits, should I just guess what percentage might have been withheld?
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Zoe Papadakis
•The online transcript might not show current year information yet, you're right. You can try calling the IRS directly at 800-829-1040 to request the information, though wait times can be long. For estimating based on bank deposits, if you have last year's W-2 and your income was similar, you could use that withholding percentage as a guide. Alternatively, look at your final pay stub from last year if available - it should show year-to-date withholding. Without those, a rough estimate would be to assume 15-20% federal withholding, but this varies widely based on your income level and allowances.
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Jamal Edwards
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Mei Chen
•How accurate was their estimate compared to what you eventually found out from your W-2? I'm nervous about guessing and getting hit with penalties later.
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Jamal Edwards
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Liam O'Sullivan
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Dylan Hughes
Just wanted to add that if you file Form 4868 for an extension, remember you still have to pay what you estimate you owe by the original deadline. The extension gives you more time to file the paperwork, not more time to pay. I got hit with interest charges last year because I didn't realize this distinction!
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Andre Dupont
•Wait, so even with the extension I still need to pay by April 15th? I thought the whole point was to give me more time since I don't have the exact numbers yet?
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Dylan Hughes
•Yes, you still need to pay your estimated tax by the original deadline (usually April 15, though it varies some years). The extension only gives you more time to submit the actual return paperwork, not more time to pay what you owe. If you don't pay what you owe by the original deadline, you'll be charged interest on the unpaid amount from the original due date until you pay. It's not a huge penalty (currently around 7% annual rate), but it does add up. Make your best estimate and pay that amount when you file Form 4868. If you overpay, you'll get a refund when you file your complete return later.
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NightOwl42
Try calling the IRS early in the morning like 7:30am eastern time. Less wait time and they can pull up your wage info in their system even if you dont have your W2. Worked for me last year when my W2 got lost in the mail!
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Sofia Rodriguez
•This worked for me too! Called right when they opened and only waited 20 mins instead of the usual 2+ hours. The agent was able to see my W2 info in their system and gave me the numbers I needed for my extension form.
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