Filing an extension - what to put for estimated tax liability with crypto income?
I'm in Louisiana and just realized I need to file an extension since I won't make the June 15th deadline. My big issue is I have no clue what to put for the estimated tax liability on the extension form. I started mining and trading crypto last year, and honestly I've been avoiding dealing with it because I know I'll owe something. Problem is, I haven't organized any of my transactions yet, so I'm completely in the dark about how much I might owe. Could be $700, could be $13k for all I know. What should I put on Form 4868 for my estimated liability? Can I just make up a number like $650 even if I might end up owing way more? What happens if my guess is totally off when I actually file? Will I get penalized? I'm assuming I need to print and mail the 4868 form? And if I include some payment with my estimated amount, that helps avoid penalties? Or should I just leave the estimate field blank since I really have no idea? Which is better - random guess or blank?
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Nina Chan
Tax preparer here. You definitely need to file Form 4868 to get an automatic extension to October 15th. However, an extension to file is NOT an extension to pay what you owe. For your estimated liability, don't leave it blank. The IRS expects a good faith estimate based on information available to you. If you truly have no idea, try to make a reasonable guess based on your crypto trading volume and potential gains. If you underpay significantly, you could face failure-to-pay penalties and interest on the unpaid amount. The safest approach would be to overestimate rather than underestimate. If you pay too much, you'll get it back as a refund. If you pay too little, you'll owe penalties and interest on the underpayment. You can file Form 4868 electronically through tax software or the IRS Free File tool rather than mailing it. This is faster and gives you immediate confirmation.
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Douglas Foster
•Thanks for the reply! So if I have literally no idea (like I haven't even tallied my transactions yet), would I be better off estimating high? Like should I just put $5,000 down if I'm completely clueless? And will I get in more trouble for severely underestimating versus overestimating?
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Nina Chan
•Yes, if you have no idea, it's better to estimate on the higher side. The IRS won't penalize you for overestimating, but they will charge penalties and interest if you significantly underestimate. If you haven't tallied your transactions yet, try to at least get a rough idea of your trading volume and potential gains. Without any information, estimating $5,000 would be safer than $650 if you think you might owe in the thousands. Remember, any amount you overpay will be returned to you as a refund when you file your actual return.
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Ruby Knight
Just wanted to share my experience with this exact situation. Last year I was freaking out about my crypto taxes too and had no clue what I would owe. I found this AI tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that saved me hours of stress. I uploaded screenshots of my crypto exchanges and it calculated my potential tax liability before I even finished organizing everything. The tool analyzed my trading patterns and gave me a solid estimate to put on my extension form. It was especially helpful for figuring out the cost basis of coins I'd been holding for years. Might be worth checking out since you're in a similar position.
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Diego Castillo
•How accurate was the estimate compared to what you actually ended up owing? I'm in the same boat with unorganized crypto transactions going back to 2022. Does it work with all the major exchanges?
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Logan Stewart
•I'm a bit skeptical about giving access to my financial info to some random AI tool. How secure is it? Do they store your data or is it just for the calculation?
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Ruby Knight
•The estimate was surprisingly accurate - I ended up owing about $800 more than what the tool projected, which was totally reasonable considering how disorganized my records were. As for security, I had the same concerns initially. They use bank-level encryption and don't store your actual transaction data after processing - they just give you the reports. I liked that I could just upload screenshots rather than connecting API keys to all my exchanges.
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Diego Castillo
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai that someone mentioned above. I was really worried about my extension since I've got crypto spread across 5 different platforms. The tool actually found some tax-loss harvesting opportunities I completely missed from when the market tanked last September. Ended up putting $4,200 as my estimated liability on my extension form based on the report it generated. That was a much more confident estimate than the $1,000 wild guess I was going to use. The peace of mind alone was worth it! Still going to hire an accountant for my actual filing but at least I feel better about my extension.
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Mikayla Brown
If you're trying to get ahold of the IRS to ask about your specific situation, good luck with that... I spent 3 hours on hold last week trying to ask a question about my crypto reporting. I finally discovered this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that actually got me through to a real IRS agent in about 20 minutes. They have a demo video here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Basically they use some system to navigate the IRS phone tree and hold for you, then call you when an actual human agent is on the line. The agent I spoke with said for extensions where you're unsure of liability, it's better to make a good faith estimate and pay what you reasonably can rather than putting $0 or leaving it blank.
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Sean Matthews
•How does this actually work? Do they just wait on hold for you? Seems like it can't be that simple or everyone would do it.
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Logan Stewart
•Sorry but this sounds like a scam. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible. I seriously doubt any service can magically get through when millions of people can't.
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Mikayla Brown
•They basically call the IRS and navigate through all the automated menus and wait on hold for you. When they actually get a human IRS agent on the line, they call you and connect you directly to that agent. So yes, they're literally just waiting on hold so you don't have to. The IRS phone system is definitely frustrating but not impossible - it's just designed to make most people give up. With enough persistence (or in this case, a service that handles the persistence for you), you can eventually get through.
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Logan Stewart
Alright, I have to admit I was totally wrong about that Claimyr service from my skeptical comment earlier. After waiting on hold with the IRS for 2 hours yesterday and getting disconnected, I was desperate enough to try it. I got connected to an actual IRS representative in about 25 minutes. The agent confirmed that for crypto-related extensions, they recommend making your best reasonable estimate based on available information. She specifically said that leaving it blank raises red flags and that even a good faith estimate that ends up being wrong is better than nothing. For anyone else dealing with crypto tax extensions, don't make my mistake of waiting until the last minute. The IRS agent also mentioned they're paying special attention to crypto reporting this year.
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Ali Anderson
Former tax preparer here - one thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you should also check your state requirements. If you're in Louisiana (as you mentioned), they typically follow the federal extension deadline but you might need to file a separate state extension form. Also, if you have access to your prior year's tax return, one simple approach is to estimate based on last year's numbers plus add 20-30% for your crypto activities. This gives you a reasonable starting point that the IRS would consider a good faith effort.
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Douglas Foster
•Thanks, that's a good point about state requirements. My situation is actually a bit different from last year since I had a big job change plus the crypto stuff, so I'm not sure if last year's return would be helpful as a baseline. What other approaches would you suggest for estimating?
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Ali Anderson
•Since your situation changed significantly with both a job change and crypto, you're right that last year's return might not be as helpful. In that case, I'd suggest doing a quick calculation of your W-2 income and estimated tax liability from that (you can find tax tables online), then add an additional amount for crypto. For the crypto portion, even a rough estimate based on your trading volume would help. If you traded $10,000 in crypto with an average gain of 20%, you might set aside roughly 25-30% of those gains ($500-600) for taxes as a starting point. It's not perfect, but it shows good faith effort.
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Zadie Patel
Just FYI - I messed up my extension last year by leaving the estimated tax blank thinking I would figure it out later. Bad move! Ended up with over $700 in penalties and interest even though I paid the full amount when I actually filed. The IRS doesn't play around with this stuff.
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A Man D Mortal
•Same happened to my brother! He trades crypto too and just put $0 on his extension form thinking it was just a time extension. He ended up owing about $4k in taxes plus another $800 in penalties and interest. Definitely better to overestimate.
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Douglas Foster
•Yikes, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid! Did you try calling the IRS to get the penalties removed or reduced? I've heard sometimes they'll work with you if it's your first time making this mistake.
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