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Just wanted to add another perspective here. I'm a small business owner who didn't file personal returns for 2 years and then applied for S corp status without fixing those first. BIG MISTAKE. Not only did they reject my S corp election, but it triggered notices for all my unfiled returns at once. Ended up with penalties that were way higher than if I'd just dealt with the unfiled returns first. The rejection letter specifically mentioned unfiled personal returns as the reason. The IRS computer systems are much more interconnected than most people realize. When you file that 2553, it absolutely creates a compliance review.
Can I ask how long it took between submitting your S corp election and receiving the rejection/notices about your unfiled returns? Was there any warning or did they just hit you with everything at once?
It took about 6 weeks from when I submitted Form 2553 until I received the rejection letter. There was no warning at all - the rejection came first which specifically mentioned "taxpayer not in compliance with filing requirements" as the reason. Then about 2 weeks after that rejection letter, I started receiving separate notices for each unfiled tax year requesting that I file returns immediately. The notices came with proposed penalty amounts that increased with each year I was behind. The whole process created a much bigger headache than if I'd just caught up on filings first.
Has anyone used a tax professional to help navigate this specific situation? I'm wondering if having a CPA or EA submit both the catch-up returns AND the S corp election might look better than doing it myself.
I used a CPA when I was in this exact situation last year. Having them handle everything definitely helped. They filed my missing returns first, waited about 45 days, then submitted the S corp election. Everything went through without issues. They told me the key was getting the personal returns processed BEFORE submitting Form 2553. Also, they filed a disclosure statement with my catch-up returns explaining the late filing was unintentional which may have helped avoid penalties.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That 45-day waiting period between filing the missing returns and submitting the S corp election makes a lot of sense. Did your CPA mention anything about whether you needed to wait for formal processing confirmation from the IRS before submitting the 2553?
Just a heads up on the AMT credit recovery strategy - if your income fluctuates year to year, you might want to time when you claim these credits. In years when your income is higher, your regular tax is more likely to exceed your AMT, allowing you to recover more of those credits. I've been carrying forward AMT credits from ISOs for 3 years now and have recovered about 70% by being strategic about timing. Don't forget Form 8801 needs to be filed every year until your credits are used up, even in years when you don't recover any portion of them.
Any recommendations on what income level typically makes it worth claiming? I'm in a similar situation with about $12k in AMT credits but not sure if my $110k salary will trigger enough regular tax to recover anything.
At $110k, you'll likely recover some of your credits, but it depends on your deductions, filing status, and other factors. If you're single with standard deduction, you'd probably begin to recover credits at that income level. Generally, I've found that married couples often need $150k+ combined income before recovering significant AMT credits, while singles can start seeing benefits around $90-100k. Consider consulting with a tax pro for a year-by-year projection based on your specific situation.
Has anyone here done a disqualifying disposition of ISO shares after paying AMT? I'm in a similar situation but thinking about selling my shares within a year of exercise. Trying to understand the tax implications.
If you do a disqualifying disposition (selling before meeting holding requirements), it gets even more complex. The good news is you'll generally receive an AMT income adjustment that can help recover some of your AMT in the year of sale. The bad news is you'll pay ordinary income rates on the spread instead of capital gains rates.
Make sure your tax software is properly reporting the "J" code from your 1099-R. Some free tax software might not handle the excess contribution removal codes correctly. If you input the 1099-R and it's still showing the penalty, you might need to manually override it with Form 5329. I also had a similar issue with foreign earned income and Roth contributions. The key is making sure Box 7 of your 1099-R shows both the P and J codes, and then properly filling out Form 5329 with exception code 12.
Thanks for the tip about checking the codes! My 1099-R definitely shows both P and J in Box 7. I'll make sure the software is reading both codes correctly. Did you end up having to file Form 5329 separately or were you able to include it with your regular return through the software?
Has anyone actually had the IRS challenge their Form 5329 exception for excess Roth contributions? I'm worried about audit risk if I claim the exception.
I've done this exact thing for 3 years (kept making the same mistake with foreign income and Roth contributions) and never had an issue. As long as you have documentation showing you properly removed the excess contribution, you're doing exactly what the IRS procedures specify.
Sounds like they're confusing a W-9 with a 1099. As a bookkeeper for small businesses, I see this mix-up ALL THE TIME. Here's what's probably happening: 1. They need your W-9 form (which you fill out with your name, address, and tax ID) 2. They use that W-9 info to create your 1099 3. They send the 1099 to you AND to the IRS If they're a small company or new to hiring contractors, they might have the terminology wrong. Just send them a completed W-9 and gently explain that they'll use that to create your 1099 at the end of the year.
Thanks for breaking it down so clearly! I've never filled out a W-9 before. Is there anything tricky about it that I should watch out for?
The W-9 is actually pretty straightforward. The main things to be careful about: Make sure you're using the current version of the form from IRS.gov - it's occasionally updated. Fill in your legal name (as shown on your tax return), not a business name unless you have one registered. For most independent contractors, you'll check the "Individual/sole proprietor" box. The trickiest part is deciding whether to provide your SSN or an EIN (Employer Identification Number). If you're just working as yourself, your SSN is fine. If you've set up a formal business structure, you might have an EIN to use instead.
lol this happens ALL the time. half these companies dont even know the proper tax procedures. I've been a freelancer for 5 years and at least once a year someone asks me to "send them my 1099" when what they mean is "send us your W-9" so they can MAKE a 1099. When companies pay independent contractors $600+, THEY have to send 1099s to both the contractor AND the IRS. You literally CAN'T send them a 1099 because you didn't pay them - they paid you!
This is why I use QuickBooks Self-Employed - it explains all this stuff and tells you what forms you need vs what forms others should give you. Helped me avoid so many headaches with clients who dont understand contractor taxes.
LongPeri
Don't forget that if you're filing Schedule C for the business (which you probably are with a single-member LLC), you'll also need to complete Schedule SE for self-employment tax. The withholding payments from the payroll company for the owner are actually estimated tax payments, not traditional withholding like you'd see on a W-2. Make sure you're separating the business owner's draws/payments from the employee payroll. Only the employees should have traditional withholding.
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Oscar O'Neil
ā¢Is this still true if the LLC owner is on payroll too? Like if they're getting a W-2 from their own company?
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LongPeri
ā¢No, that changes things significantly. If the LLC owner is receiving a W-2 from the business (putting themselves on payroll), then they're treating the LLC as an S-Corp for tax purposes, not a single-member LLC with pass-through taxation. In that case, the owner's W-2 would have withholding just like any employee, and those withholdings would be credited automatically when you enter the W-2 in TurboTax. The business would still file its own return (typically Form 1120-S for an S-Corp), and the owner would receive a K-1 for their share of profits beyond their salary.
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Sara Hellquiem
If your husband is the only owner of the LLC, did you elect S-corp taxation? Because that would completely change how this all works. With S-corp status, he should be on payroll like a regular employee with withholding that would show up on a W-2 that gets entered directly into TurboTax.
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Charlee Coleman
ā¢Not the OP but our accountant recommended we switch to S-corp status once our profits hit about $40k annually. The savings on self-employment tax were worth the extra paperwork.
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