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Your family member might be confusing net income vs gross income. If they made $150k GROSS but had $110k in legitimate business expenses, their NET taxable income could be around $40k. At that level, $4k in taxes might be reasonable. As a small business owner, I can write off: - Office space/home office - Equipment (computer, phone, etc) - Software subscriptions - Marketing costs - Travel for business - Professional development - Health insurance premiums
But wouldn't they still have to pay self-employment tax too? Even with $40k net income, shouldn't that be more than $4k total tax between income tax and SE tax?
You're absolutely right about self-employment tax. Even with $40k net income, they would owe about 15.3% in self-employment tax alone, which would be around $6,120. Then they'd still owe some amount of income tax on top of that, even after taking the standard deduction.
Has anyone considered they might be maxing out retirement accounts? Self-employed people can contribute way more to retirement than regular employees. They could be putting like $60k+ into a SEP IRA or solo 401k which would drastically reduce their taxable income.
That's a great point. For 2023, self-employed individuals could contribute up to $66,000 to a Solo 401(k) if they're under 50. Add in a maxed HSA contribution and some business expenses, and you could bring that taxable income way down legitimately.
Most large companies should offer some kind of stipend or reimbursement for home office expenses, especially if they're requiring you to work remotely. Have you checked with your HR department to see if they have a policy for this? My company gives us $50/month for internet and a one-time $500 allowance for home office setup. This is actually better than the tax deduction would be anyway, since reimbursements through a qualified accountable plan are completely tax-free to you, while deductions only give you back a percentage based on your tax bracket.
I haven't actually tried asking my company about this. Is there a specific way I should approach this conversation with HR? I'm not sure if they have an official policy, but it makes sense that they should help cover these costs since they're not providing an office space.
I'd suggest starting with an email to your manager or HR outlining your home office expenses related to work. Be specific about costs like increased utilities, internet requirements for work, and any furniture or equipment you've purchased to do your job effectively. Frame it as a question about whether the company has an accountable plan or stipend program for remote workers, rather than demanding reimbursement. Many companies have these policies but don't publicize them well. If they don't have a formal policy, this could prompt them to create one, especially if other remote workers have similar needs.
Just want to point out that some states DO still allow home office deductions for employees even though federal doesn't. Check your state tax rules. I'm in New York and was able to deduct my home office on my state return last year even though I couldn't on federal.
Your friend is getting ripped off, plain and simple. I've been using the free version of FreeTaxUSA for years with similar circumstances (W-2 and some investment income). Takes me maybe 45 minutes once a year and costs nothing for federal filing. State is like $15. The audit fear is completely irrational for a simple return like his. If he's having his employer withhold taxes properly and reporting all his income (which H&R Block isn't magically doing better than tax software would), his audit risk is practically zero.
Is FreeTaxUSA actually user-friendly? I tried using the IRS free file system directly once and it was a nightmare to navigate. I ended up going back to paying for TurboTax because the interface was better, but I'd love to save some money.
FreeTaxUSA is surprisingly user-friendly! It's not as flashy as TurboTax, but the interface is clean and straightforward. It walks you through each section with simple questions and explanations. You can save and come back to it, and it has a good review system to catch common errors. The best part is they don't do that annoying bait-and-switch that some other "free" services do where they surprise you with fees at the end for slightly more complex returns. Federal is actually free for almost all personal tax situations, and state is a flat $15 fee.
LOL at the idea of going to jail for a tax mistake on a simple W-2 return. The IRS isn't out here arresting people for honest math errors. They typically just send you a letter if something doesn't match up, like "hey we noticed your W-2 says $45,000 but you reported $40,000" and then you pay the difference plus maybe a small penalty. I was like your friend until I realized H&R Block was literally just typing the exact same numbers from my forms into the same software I could use myself for a fraction of the price.
Exactly! Tax evasion charges are for people hiding millions in offshore accounts or completely fabricating businesses, not someone who made a mistake entering their dividend income. Your friend needs to realize the IRS has bigger fish to fry than simple returns with minor errors.
One thing to consider - there are income limits for claiming the full AOTC. For 2024 (filing in 2025), if your modified AGI is over $80,000 (single) or $160,000 (married filing jointly), the credit starts phasing out. It's completely phased out at $90,000 (single) or $180,000 (married). Since your income is likely higher than your son's, if you're close to these thresholds, it might make mathematical sense for him to claim the credit on his own return where he can get the full benefit without phase-out issues. Also, don't forget that AOTC is partially refundable (up to $1,000), so even if your son doesn't owe much tax, he could still benefit from it.
That's a really good point about the income limits! Our household income is around $175,000, so we'd be in the phase-out range. My son's income (even with the tuition benefit counted) is well under the limit. Is there a calculator somewhere that would help us determine exactly how much we'd lose to the phase-out versus him claiming it?
The phase-out calculation reduces your eligible AOTC by a ratio based on how far into the phase-out range you are. Since your household income is $175,000 and the phase-out range for married filing jointly is $160,000-$180,000, you're 75% through the phase-out range ($15,000 of the $20,000 range). That means your maximum AOTC would be reduced by approximately 75%. So instead of the full $2,500 maximum credit, you'd be looking at around $625 remaining. Whereas if your son claims it on his own return, he could get the full $2,500 (assuming the qualified expenses are high enough). Many tax software programs have built-in calculators for this, but you can also use the IRS's Interactive Tax Assistant on their website to get a more precise calculation for your specific situation.
Don't forget about the Lifetime Learning Credit as an alternative to AOTC! If for some reason your son doesn't qualify for AOTC (maybe he's been in school more than 4 years or isn't at least half-time), the LLC might be an option. It's worth up to $2,000 (20% of the first $10,000 in qualified expenses). The same principle applies - since the tuition is included in his taxable income on the W-2, those expenses should qualify for education credits.
But LLC is less valuable than AOTC, right? AOTC gives you $2,500 for $4,000 in expenses (100% of first $2k, 25% of next $2k) while LLC only gives $2,000 for $10,000 in expenses (20% rate). Plus AOTC is partially refundable.
MidnightRider
Former tax preparer here. Just want to add that if you had taxes withheld from your paychecks (which is likely with warehouse jobs), you might actually be OWED money by the IRS instead of owing them! The 3-year deadline for claiming refunds hasn't passed for all the years you mentioned, so you could still get some money back. Don't let fear keep you from potentially getting YOUR money back.
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Andre Laurent
ā¢Is there a cutoff for how far back you can claim refunds? I haven't filed for 6 years but had withholding the whole time.
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MidnightRider
ā¢Yes, there is a cutoff - it's 3 years from the original due date of the return. So for example, 2022 tax returns were due April 18, 2023, meaning you have until April 18, 2026 to claim any refund for that year. For 2021 returns, you have until April 15, 2025. Unfortunately for your situation with 6 unfiled years, you've likely lost the ability to claim refunds for the oldest 3 years, but you can still get refunds for the most recent 3 tax years if you're owed them.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
PSA for everyone in this thread: The IRS has a "Fresh Start" program specifically designed for people who haven't filed or have tax debt. It includes payment plans, offer in compromise (settling for less than you owe), and first-time penalty abatement. Don't be scared - I promise the IRS deals with this ALL THE TIME and they have processes to help people get back on track.
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Jamal Washington
ā¢This is 100% accurate. I work at a tax resolution firm and we help people with 10+ years of unfiled returns regularly. The IRS is far more reasonable than people think as long as you're making an effort to comply. They're not interested in sending people with regular jobs to prison.
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