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Have you tried asking the cleaning company how they're reporting this payment to you? That might give you a clue about how they expect you to file it. Usually companies don't issue 1099-NECs unless they consider you an independent contractor rather than an employee.
I did call them but the office manager wasn't sure. They just said their accountant told them to issue 1099s for all referral partners who got over $600. They don't care how I file it on my end, just that they reported the payment to the IRS.
That makes sense - the $600 threshold is the standard for when businesses must issue 1099s. Based on that and what others have said here, it sounds like Schedule C is definitely your answer. The cleaning company is treating you as an independent contractor for these referrals (separate from your regular HVAC employment). Remember that with Schedule C income, you're responsible for both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes, which comes out to about 15.3%. That's calculated on Schedule SE. You'll want to make sure you're setting aside enough to cover this additional tax burden.
Don't forget you get to deduct 1/2 of your self-employment tax on your 1040! A lot of people miss this deduction. And if you use a portion of your home exclusively for managing these referrals, you might qualify for a home office deduction too.
The home office deduction is super strict though. You need a space used EXCLUSIVELY for business. If you use your dining table for paperwork but also eat there, it doesn't qualify.
You're absolutely right about the exclusive use requirement. The space must be used regularly and exclusively for business purposes to qualify for the home office deduction. A dedicated desk or room that's only used for managing these referrals would qualify, but a multi-purpose space like a dining table wouldn't. It's also worth mentioning that there are two methods for calculating the home office deduction: the regular method (based on actual expenses and the percentage of your home used for business) and the simplified option (a standard deduction based on the square footage of your office space). For someone with a small amount of self-employment income like the OP, the simplified method might be easier.
My husband and I are both self-employed too and ran into this last year. We fired our accountant on the spot when he refused to file our 7202 forms and found someone new who was willing to finish our taxes properly. Yes it was more expensive but the credits we got were substantial - about $8300 total between us. Dont let your accountant push you around - this is YOUR money and a legitimate tax credit you're entitled to.
Are you sure the form is even necessary for your situation? Many self-employed people think they qualify for these credits when they actually don't. The credit is specifically for self-employed people who couldn't work because they or someone they care for had COVID or they had to care for kids due to school closures. It's not just a general COVID relief credit. Have you verified you qualify?
This is an important point. A lot of people think any income loss during COVID qualifies, when the form is specifically for days you couldn't work due to very specific reasons. The IRS has been flagging suspicious 7202 claims for audit, so you definitely want to make sure you qualify and have documentation.
Thanks for clarifying! That makes more sense why you're pursuing this. Given your situation, I'd definitely push for including Form 7202. The credits can be substantial. One option not mentioned yet - some tax software programs like TurboTax or H&R Block software allow you to complete Form 7202 yourself. You could potentially use the software just for that form, print it out, and give it to your accountant to incorporate into your return. That's what a friend of mine did when her accountant was being difficult about some rental property deductions.
I had this exact issue with line 18 last year! In my case, it turned out that my income was just over the phase-out threshold, which started reducing my CTC. Check your AGI on your return - for 2023 taxes the phase-out starts at $200k for single/head of household and $400k for married filing jointly. Every $1,000 over that reduces your credit by $50 per child.
Do you know if this applies the same way for the Additional Child Tax Credit? And is line 18 showing the combined total of both credits or just the regular CTC? I'm looking at my form and can't figure it out.
The phase-out applies to the total Child Tax Credit before it gets split between the regular CTC and Additional Child Tax Credit. So if your total CTC gets reduced due to income phase-out, both portions would be affected. Line 18 typically shows the total combined amount of Child Tax Credit you're receiving (including both the non-refundable portion and the refundable Additional Child Tax Credit portion). If you want to see the breakdown, you need to look at Schedule 8812 which shows the detailed calculations.
Line 18 gave me headaches too! Does anyone know if you can go back and amend returns from previous years if you think you didn't get the right CTC amount? I think I might have had the same issue for the past 2 years.
Yes, you can absolutely file an amended return for previous years if you didn't receive the correct Child Tax Credit. Generally, you have 3 years from the original filing deadline to submit an amendment. So for 2021 taxes (filed in 2022), you have until April 2025 to amend.
4 One thing to keep in mind that I don't see mentioned here - make sure you understand the tax consequences of revoking S-corp status. When you go from S to C, there are some potential tax traps like the built-in gains tax if you sell appreciated assets within 5 years after revocation. Also, if you had accumulated adjustment account (AAA) balances, you need to plan for how those will be treated after conversion.
11 Good point about the tax consequences, but isn't there a way to avoid some of these issues? I thought I read something about a post-termination transition period where you can still distribute AAA balances tax-free?
4 Yes, that's correct. After S corporation status ends, there is a post-termination transition period (generally 1 year after the last day of the last S corporation tax year) where shareholders can still receive distributions from the former S corporation's AAA tax-free to the extent of their stock basis. This can be really important for planning purposes. Some shareholders mistakenly believe all their distribution options end when S status is revoked, but this transition period provides a window to distribute accumulated S corporation earnings without dividend treatment under C corporation rules.
9 I wonder if your situation might be a candidate for a late-filed election to be a C corp from the beginning? If your S election was approved for 2023 but you realized immediately that you don't qualify, sometimes the IRS will let you treat the S election as if it never happened. Might be worth asking your accountant about Form 2553 with a "never effective" statement.
14 I dealt with something similar and we ended up going this route. The key was proving that we never operated as an S corp (no distributions, no K-1s issued, etc.) and that it was an honest mistake in the election. Saved us from having to do the split-year filings.
Admin_Masters
Something no one mentioned yet - you can also file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) with your tax return. Since you have your last pay stub, you should have most of the info you need. My husband had to do this last year when his employer went bankrupt and nobody was answering phones. We just filled out the form with the info from his last paystub and filed it along with our tax return. We didn't have any issues with the IRS accepting it. Just be aware that you might get a letter from the IRS later if the numbers don't match exactly what the employer reported, but you can deal with that if it happens.
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Jasmine Quinn
ā¢Thanks for bringing up Form 4852! I actually didn't know about that option. So if I use my last pay stub to fill out this form, do I need to do anything special when filing my taxes? Like do I need to mail my return instead of e-filing?
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Admin_Masters
ā¢You might need to mail in your return instead of e-filing if you're including Form 4852. Some tax software allows you to e-file with this form, but others don't. We ended up mailing ours to be safe. Also make sure you fill out Section 3 of the form explaining why you're filing a substitute W-2 and what efforts you made to get the original (like your phone calls and emails to the company).
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Matthew Sanchez
If none of these options work out, remember there's one last resort - you can file for an extension using Form 4868. This doesn't give you more time to pay (you'd still owe interest on unpaid taxes), but it gives you until October 15, 2023 to file your 2022 return. That might give you more time to track down your W-2 info. Just making sure you know all your options!
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Ella Thompson
ā¢Unfortunately that won't help in this case since they're trying to file 2022 taxes now in 2023/2024. They're already past the extension deadline. They need to file ASAP to minimize penalties.
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