Help filling out Form 4852 when missing my W-2 from past employer
I'm in a really frustrating situation with trying to file my taxes this year. I worked for a company in another state for about 3 months last year, and now I can't get my hands on my W-2 from them. When I contacted my former employer about it, they claimed they never received my W-2 either, which makes no sense to me! They're basically passing the buck to their payroll company, who's putting the responsibility back on the employer. My old boss told me to just call the IRS, but we all know how that goes these days - constant busy signals or automated messages saying they're not taking calls due to being understaffed. It's driving me crazy! All I have to work with is an old W-2 from 2018 when I worked there previously and my bank statements showing the deposits for the 3 months I worked there in 2024. I know I need to fill out Form 4852 as a substitute for the missing W-2, but I'm completely lost on what formulas to use to calculate all the different tax withholdings and amounts required. Has anyone dealt with this before? How do I figure out things like federal income tax withheld, Social Security tax, and Medicare amounts when all I have are the net deposits in my bank account?
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Dmitry Ivanov
This is actually a common problem, especially with smaller employers or when changing jobs. Form 4852 is definitely the right approach when you can't get your W-2. Here's how you can make reasonable estimates: For your gross wages: Add up all deposits from that employer in your bank statements. This will be your net pay. Then you'll need to work backwards to figure out your gross pay. Look at your last paystub if you have one - it would show year-to-date totals which would be super helpful! For federal income tax withheld: This is trickier without paystubs. As a rough estimate, federal withholding is typically 10-22% of gross income depending on your tax bracket. If you know what was withheld in 2018, you could calculate what percentage of your gross pay was withheld then and apply that same percentage. For Social Security: This is exactly 6.2% of your gross wages (up to the annual limit which you probably didn't hit in 3 months). For Medicare: This is exactly 1.45% of your gross wages. Make your best estimates based on the information you have, and be sure to note on the form that these are estimates based on limited information.
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StarSailor
•Thanks for the detailed response! I do have one more question though - if I don't have any paystubs at all (I was getting direct deposit and never kept the electronic paystubs), how do I work backwards from my net pay to figure out the gross amount? Is there a standard formula or percentage I should use? Also, should I be concerned about the IRS questioning my estimates if they're not exact?
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Dmitry Ivanov
•To work backwards from net pay without paystubs, you'll need to make an educated guess. If your 2018 W-2 was from the same employer with similar pay, calculate the ratio between gross and net pay from that year. For example, if your net was 70% of your gross in 2018, use that percentage to estimate your 2024 gross wages. Don't worry too much about the IRS questioning your estimates. Form 4852 is specifically designed for situations where you have to make reasonable estimates. Just document everything - keep copies of your bank statements, correspondence with the employer, and notes about your calculation methods. The IRS understands these situations happen, and they're mainly concerned that you're making a good-faith effort to report accurately.
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Ava Garcia
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Miguel Silva
•Wait, so this service can really figure out tax withholdings just from bank statements? That seems hard to believe. Wouldn't they need to know your filing status, allowances, and all that stuff that affects withholding? How accurate were your estimates compared to what was actually withheld?
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Zainab Ismail
•I'm curious about this too. Won't the IRS just get the actual W-2 information from the employer eventually? I'd be worried about filing with estimates and then getting a letter later saying everything was wrong. Did you have any issues with that?
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Ava Garcia
•The service actually asks you questions about your filing status, approximate salary, and other factors that affect withholding rates. It combines that with your bank deposit patterns to make surprisingly accurate estimates. In my case, they were within about $50 of the actual withholdings when my former employer finally sent the W-2 months later. The IRS does eventually get W-2 information, but they understand when you need to file with estimates using Form 4852. That's literally what the form is designed for. I didn't receive any notices or corrections from the IRS. The system helped me document how I arrived at my figures, which is what the IRS really wants to see - that you made a good faith effort to report accurately based on available information.
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Miguel Silva
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Yara Nassar
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Keisha Williams
Have you tried contacting the state tax agency where you worked? Sometimes they have W-2 info that can help. Also, check if your company used ADP, Paychex or something similar - you might be able to create an account directly with the payroll provider to access your W-2.
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StarSailor
•I didn't think about contacting the state tax agency! That's a good idea. The company did use some payroll service but when I called they said they couldn't help me directly - had to go through the employer. So frustrating. I'll try the state tax department tomorrow. Do you know what department I should ask for specifically?
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Keisha Williams
•You'll want to contact the state's Department of Revenue or whatever they call their tax collection agency. Ask specifically for the "wage and income verification" department or "tax document" department. Some states have their own wage and income transcript systems similar to the IRS. If you know the payroll company, try googling that company name plus "former employee w2" - many of the big ones have specific procedures for former employees to get their documents. Sometimes you need an access code from your employer, but sometimes you can verify your identity another way.
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Paolo Ricci
Don't overthink this. I've done Form 4852 twice for jobs that never sent W-2s. Just be reasonable with your estimates. The IRS mainly wants to see that you're reporting the income, not hiding it. For Fed withholding, I'd take what shows on bank deposits, add about 22% for taxes and withholdings to get gross, then figure about 12-15% of gross for fed withholding unless you're high income.
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Amina Toure
•This is not great advice. Tax withholding varies WILDLY depending on how you filled out your W-4, your filing status, and income level. What if the person had extra withholding or was claiming exempt? Using random percentages could get them in trouble.
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Isabella Oliveira
I went through this exact same situation two years ago! Here are a few additional tips that helped me: 1. Request a wage and income transcript directly from the IRS online at irs.gov. If your employer filed your W-2 electronically, it might show up there even if you never received the physical copy. This gives you the exact numbers instead of having to estimate. 2. Check your state's unemployment insurance website - sometimes they have wage records that can help you verify your quarterly earnings from that employer. 3. If you have any old email confirmations about direct deposits or pay notifications, those can help support your calculations. 4. Don't forget that if you had health insurance deductions, 401k contributions, or other pre-tax deductions, those need to be factored in when working backwards from your net pay to gross pay. The most important thing is to document everything you tried to do to get the actual W-2. Keep records of your attempts to contact the employer, any responses you got, and how you calculated your estimates. The IRS is generally understanding about these situations as long as you can show you made good faith efforts to get the correct information. Good luck with getting this sorted out!
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