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The "3 out of 5 years" profit rule that people mention is actually a "safe harbor" provision, not an absolute requirement. If you meet it, the IRS presumes you're running a business. If you don't, you can still prove business intent through other factors. I went through this exact issue with my craft business. I had 4 years of losses before becoming profitable. When questioned, I provided: 1. Business plan and revisions showing how I adapted 2. Marketing efforts and expansion of sales channels 3. Detailed profit and loss statements 4. Evidence of industry expertise (classes, certifications) 5. Documentation of time spent on business activities The case was resolved in my favor without ever going to tax court. Most of these cases are handled through correspondence audits. Your CPA suggesting you manipulate the numbers is concerning - accuracy is crucial when dealing with the IRS.
Thanks for this detailed information! I've definitely been adapting my business approach to become profitable. Did you handle the IRS correspondence yourself or did you need professional help?
I started handling it myself but ended up hiring a tax professional who specializes in small businesses when it became clear the IRS was seriously questioning my business classification. It was worth the investment because they knew exactly what documentation would be most persuasive. The most important thing was having contemporaneous records - meaning documentation created during the actual business operations, not reconstructed later. Regular business planning documents, marketing strategies, and detailed expense records created during those loss years were extremely valuable in demonstrating business intent.
Has anyone used TurboTax to file Schedule C with multiple years of losses? I'm wondering if certain tax software might flag this issue differently or provide better guidance.
I used TurboTax for 3 years of business losses and it didn't provide any special warnings about hobby loss rules. It just asked standard Schedule C questions. When I switched to a real accountant, she pointed out several red flags in how I'd been documenting my business that TurboTax never mentioned.
That's really helpful to know! I've been using TurboTax too but maybe I should consider getting professional help if I'm worried about the hobby loss rules. The software definitely doesn't seem to dig into the documentation aspects that everyone's mentioning here.
Just a heads up on something I learned the hard way last year - if you did any crypto trading on Robinhood, make sure you understand how that's reported too. It's not always in the same section as your stock trades. Robinhood reports crypto on Form 1099-MISC (not on 1099-B like stocks), and the IRS considers crypto as property, not currency. So you need to report every single crypto transaction as a capital gain or loss. It's super annoying, especially if you did a lot of small trades. And don't forget about staking rewards if you had any - those count as income too!
Do you know if this is true for all brokerages or just Robinhood? I have crypto on Coinbase too and I'm wondering if it's reported differently.
It varies by brokerage actually. Robinhood uses 1099-MISC for crypto, while some others use different forms. Coinbase usually sends a 1099-K if you had a high volume of transactions (over $20,000 and 200+ transactions), but they're moving toward more comprehensive reporting. The important thing to remember is that regardless of which form you get (or even if you don't get one), you're still required to report ALL crypto transactions to the IRS. Each purchase and sale needs to be treated as a property transaction with capital gains or losses calculated. The IRS has been cracking down on crypto reporting the last few years.
Does anyone know if Robinhood's tax documents show wash sales clearly? I sold some Tesla at a loss in November and then bought back in December (price was too good to pass up) but I don't know if that affects my taxes.
Yes, Robinhood does report wash sales on their 1099-B. Look for a code "W" next to any transactions - that indicates it was identified as a wash sale. The problem is they only identify wash sales within the same brokerage. If you sold on Robinhood and bought on Fidelity within 30 days, for example, it wouldn't be flagged, but it's still technically a wash sale that you're supposed to report.
Anyone have recommendations for good tax software for beginners? I've been using whatever free option I can find each year but they're all confusing.
I learned taxes by making a ton of mistakes lol. Seriously though, just start doing them yourself with tax software. Even if you mess up, the IRS usually just sends a letter and you fix it. One year I completely forgot to report my stock sales and they just sent me a bill for the difference plus a small penalty. NBD. The best way to learn is by doing!
3 Another important thing to know - if you've been getting letters from the IRS about your unfiled 2022 return, DO NOT ignore them! Even if you think you're getting a refund, the IRS might have different information and could be preparing a "substitute for return" which almost always results in you owing more than if you file yourself.
16 What exactly is a "substitute for return"? That sounds scary. I've been ignoring mail that looks like it's from the IRS because I've been avoiding dealing with this whole situation.
3 A substitute for return (SFR) is basically when the IRS files a tax return on your behalf using information they have (like your W-2s and 1099s) - but they don't include any deductions or credits you might be entitled to. They just calculate your tax based on the standard deduction and your reported income. Stop ignoring those letters immediately! Open them all and see what they're saying. If they're threatening an SFR, you still have time to file your own return which will replace their substitute. The SFR will almost always result in a higher tax bill because the IRS doesn't know about your potential deductions, business expenses, or other tax situations that could lower your liability.
10 Does anyone know if filing late affects stimulus payments or child tax credits from 2022? I have two kids and I'm worried I might lose out on those credits if I file super late.
13 You won't lose eligibility for the child tax credit by filing late. The enhanced child tax credit was for 2021, and 2022 went back to the regular credit (up to $2,000 per qualifying child). As long as you file within the 3-year window to claim a refund, you can still receive those credits. As for stimulus payments, the last economic impact payment (stimulus) was issued in 2021, so there weren't any new stimulus payments for the 2022 tax year. If you missed claiming any previous stimulus payments, you would have needed to claim them on your 2021 return as a Recovery Rebate Credit.
Zoe Stavros
Just a heads up - filing exempt when you know you'll owe taxes is technically not allowed. The W-4 form specifically states you can only claim exempt if you had no tax liability last year AND expect none this year. The IRS can assess penalties for "underpayment of estimated tax" if you intentionally have too little withheld. That said, claiming a qualifying dependent is absolutely your right if the child meets all the tests, regardless of your withholding choices. These are separate issues. But for future reference, instead of going exempt, you might want to just adjust your withholding to a level that gives you more take-home pay without eliminating withholding entirely.
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Nia Harris
ā¢Thanks for this clarification. I didn't realize there were specific criteria for claiming exempt status. Does the IRS actually enforce those penalties often? And what would be a better approach for my 2025 taxes if I still need to maximize my paychecks?
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Zoe Stavros
ā¢The IRS doesn't always enforce underpayment penalties, especially for moderate income levels, but they certainly can. The penalty is essentially interest on the amount you should have paid throughout the year. Your safest bet is to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website to calculate the precise number of allowances or additional amounts to have withheld. For maximizing your paychecks while staying compliant, consider claiming a higher number of allowances on your W-4 (rather than exempt), or using the new W-4 form to specify a dollar amount of reduction in withholding. This lets you reduce withholding significantly without claiming an exemption you don't qualify for. Having at least some tax withheld also helps reduce the shock of a large tax bill at filing time.
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Jamal Harris
Wait, I'm confused about the timing. If the kid lived with you for 15 months, that means they lived with you for all of last year plus a few months of the previous year, right? So you DEFINITELY qualify under the residency test (which requires 6+ months). Did you provide more than half their support too? Food, clothing, shelter, medical, etc?
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Mei Chen
ā¢The residency test isn't the only requirement. The relationship test matters too. OP didn't specify if this is their biological child, niece/nephew, or completely unrelated. Different rules apply depending on the relationship.
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