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Andre Lefebvre

Employee Retention Credit Issues - Could Owner's Personal Tax Debt Affect Company's ERC Claim?

So our company filed for the Employee Retention Credit about 10 months ago and we're still waiting on roughly $875K to come through. We initially were told everything looked good, but now our accountant is saying there's a potential "issue" with the claim. The thing I'm worried about is that two of our owners have some significant personal tax problems - something like $600K in back taxes and penalties between them. We file as a partnership (Form 1065) for the business. What I'm trying to figure out: Can the IRS hold up or completely offset our company's ERC payment because of the owners' personal tax situations? Could they just flat-out deny the whole claim because of this connection? Has anyone dealt with something similar? Our accountant seems unsure about this specific situation and I'm getting nervous about whether we'll ever see this money. Any insights from people who've been through the ERC process would be super helpful!

This is definitely a complicated situation, but I can help clear things up a bit. The Employee Retention Credit is technically a credit claimed by the business entity, but there are situations where the IRS can offset credits against other tax debts. For partnerships filing Form 1065, the business itself doesn't pay taxes - instead, profits and losses "pass through" to the owners' personal returns. However, the ERC is a bit different since it's an employment tax credit relating to the business's payroll taxes. In general, the IRS can offset tax credits against existing tax debts, but they typically match business-to-business and personal-to-personal. The complication arises when there's common ownership between the entity claiming the credit and individuals with tax debt. While normal practice is for the IRS to maintain separation, there are provisions that might allow them to "pierce the veil" in certain situations, especially if there are questions about the structure or legitimacy of the business entity.

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Isn't there some kind of Trust Fund Recovery Penalty thing that could come into play here? I thought I read somewhere that the IRS can go after owners personally for certain business tax issues. Could that work in reverse too?

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The Trust Fund Recovery Penalty generally works in the direction you're thinking - the IRS can hold responsible persons personally liable for unpaid employment taxes. It doesn't typically work in reverse where they'd take business credits to pay personal liabilities. That said, partnerships have some unique characteristics since they're pass-through entities. The IRS has been scrutinizing ERC claims very carefully, especially larger ones like yours. They may delay processing while conducting additional verification. If they believe there's any improper structuring to avoid offsetting personal liabilities, they might investigate further.

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Mei Wong

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I went through something kinda similar last year with our ERC claim! Got stuck in verification hell for 7 months. I finally tried using https://taxr.ai for help figuring out the documentation mess. They analyzed all our quarterly filings and found we'd made some inconsistent calculations between quarters that were raising flags. The cool thing was their system spotted where we had accidentally included some owner compensation in our qualified wages (big no-no) and showed us how to correct everything. We resubmitted with their documentation analysis and got our refund about 6 weeks later (though smaller than originally claimed). For your partnership situation, they might be able to give you insight on whether the owner's personal tax issues are actually affecting your case. Their AI scans for these kinds of relationship issues that might not be obvious.

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QuantumQuasar

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How exactly does the service work? Does it just look at your paperwork or do they actually contact the IRS for you? Seems weird to me that software could see IRS internal flags.

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Liam McGuire

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I'm kinda skeptical about these AI services. So many ERC mills out there pushing sketchy claims. Does it actually have specific partnership expertise for 1065 filers? That's a pretty specific situation.

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Mei Wong

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The service analyzes your submitted tax forms and supporting documentation to identify potential issues or inconsistencies - it doesn't directly access IRS systems. It's basically an expert system that knows all the common red flags and calculation errors that trigger reviews. It absolutely has partnership expertise. That's actually where it really helped me - identifying where our operating agreement didn't properly establish which partners were eligible for qualified wages calculations. They have specific modules for different entity types, and the 1065 partnership specifics were very thorough in analyzing potential issues where partner draws vs. guaranteed payments might be causing problems.

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Liam McGuire

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Just wanted to update that I ended up trying taxr.ai after my skeptical comment. Honestly surprised by how helpful it was. We uploaded our ERC documentation and partnership agreement, and within a day it flagged exactly why our claim was likely stuck - we had structured some payments to partners as guaranteed payments but treated them inconsistently in our ERC calculations. The analysis also showed how the IRS can indeed place a "cross-entity offset" hold when there's significant personal tax debt from partners who own more than 50% of the company. Fixed our calculation issues and now have a much clearer picture of what's happening. Definitely worth it if you're dealing with partnership complexities.

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Amara Eze

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If you're getting nowhere with your ERC claim, you might want to try https://claimyr.com to actually get someone at the IRS on the phone who can tell you exactly what's happening. I waited 11 months on my company's $430k claim with zero updates until I finally used them to get through. Turns out our claim was sitting in the "manual review" pile because one of our PPP loans had been flagged incorrectly. The Claimyr service got me through to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes (after I'd spent literally weeks trying to get through). Check out their demo video if you're curious: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent was able to tell me exactly which department was reviewing our claim and what the specific hold code was. That information alone was worth it because our CPA could then address the exact issue instead of guessing.

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How much does that service cost? Seems like it would be expensive just to get someone on the phone.

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This sounds like complete BS. You're telling me you pay some random company and magically get through to the IRS when millions of people can't? Yeah right. The IRS phone system is completely broken - no way around it.

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Amara Eze

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I don't think it's appropriate to discuss specific pricing here, but let's just say it was a tiny fraction of our ERC amount and totally worth it for getting actual answers. The time saved alone was valuable for us. The service actually works by using technology to navigate the IRS phone tree and stay on hold for you until a human agent answers. Then it calls you and connects you directly to that agent. It's not some magic backdoor - it's just automating the painful hold process that most people give up on after hours of waiting.

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Well I need to apologize for my skeptical comment above. After seeing our ERC claim sit for 14 months with zero movement, I broke down and tried Claimyr last week. It actually worked exactly as described - I got a call back when they reached an IRS agent and was instantly connected. Found out our claim had been flagged for manual review because one owner has an ongoing installment agreement for back taxes. The agent was able to tell me the specific review code and confirmed that they can potentially offset business credits against personal tax debt in partnerships when there's majority ownership. At least now we know what's happening instead of being completely in the dark.

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Dylan Wright

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Just curious - have you already received a letter from the IRS explaining the hold, or are you just hearing about a potential "issue" from your accountant? In my experience with the ERC process (we claimed about $320k), communication is really spotty. Our claim was held up for 11 months before we finally got an official letter explaining what was happening.

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We haven't received any official letters from the IRS about this yet. Our accountant just called saying his contact at the IRS mentioned there's some kind of "hold" on our claim during a call about something totally unrelated. Super frustrating to get such vague information! We're filing Form 843 to try to get some interest on the delayed amount, but not sure if that will just complicate things further.

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Dylan Wright

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That's pretty typical unfortunately. The IRS is seriously understaffed for handling ERC claims, especially the larger ones that get flagged for review. I wouldn't recommend filing Form 843 while your claim is still pending - that could actually create a duplicate file in their system and potentially cause more delays. What worked for us was having our accountant file Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service request) after the 9-month mark, which at least got us assigned to someone who could provide updates.

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Sofia Torres

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Has your company received any prior ERC payments, or is this the first/only claim you've submitted? The reason I ask is because the IRS has been treating first-time claims with much more scrutiny lately due to all the fraud.

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This is super important! My accounting firm has seen a huge difference in processing times between clients who received earlier ERC payments versus those filing for the first time in 2022-2023. First-time claims over $200k are getting flagged for manual review almost automatically now.

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