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Annabel Kimball

Is Employee Retention Credit (ERC) filing through Adesso Capital a scam? Red flags?

Hey tax folks, I'm getting suspicious about an Employee Retention Credit (ERC) filing opportunity that came across my desk. I own a small retail business, and while our online sales actually INCREASED during 2020-2021 (quarter over quarter comparisons were up about 18%), we did completely shut down our physical location for around 3 months when everything first hit. I was contacted by Adesso Capital saying I qualify for the ERC not based on lost revenue (since we technically grew) but because of the physical shutdown period. They're claiming we're eligible for a pretty substantial credit - somewhere around $75,000 - but after reading some horror stories online, I'm hesitant. From what I understand, there are scams where these filing companies disappear after submitting (after collecting their commission of course), and even if the credit gets approved initially, there's risk of audit with clawback plus hefty penalties years later. The sales guy is pushing hard for me to move forward, but something doesn't feel right. Has anyone worked with Adesso specifically for ERC? Is this shutdown qualification legitimate even though our overall business grew during that period? I really don't want to end up in hot water with the IRS down the road!

Chris Elmeda

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The Employee Retention Credit (ERC) is legitimate, but there are indeed many predatory companies taking advantage of business owners. The qualification rules are complex, and the IRS has been cracking down hard on improper claims. A business can qualify for the ERC in two main ways: 1) significant decline in gross receipts compared to 2019, OR 2) full or partial suspension of operations due to government orders. It sounds like they're focusing on the second qualification for you. Here's the catch though - a partial suspension means your business operations were limited by a government order in a way that impacted more than a nominal portion of your business. The fact that your online sales increased while physical location was closed makes this tricky. The IRS would look at your business as a whole - if your online sales were your primary revenue source even before the pandemic, the physical closure might not qualify you. The penalties for incorrect claims are serious - repayment of the credit plus 20% penalty and interest. Worse, the statute of limitations is 5 years for the IRS to audit these claims.

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Jean Claude

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But what about the shutdown qualification specifically? If a business had to completely close their physical location due to government orders, but their online sales increased, would that still potentially qualify them? I'm in a similar situation and getting bombarded with calls from these ERC companies.

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Chris Elmeda

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The partial shutdown qualification requires that the government order had a "more than nominal effect" on your business operations. The IRS defines this as either: 1) the gross receipts from that portion of the business were at least 10% of total gross receipts in 2019, or 2) the hours of service performed by employees in that portion was at least 10% of total hours in 2019. So if your physical location represented more than 10% of your total business in either sales or employee hours before the pandemic, you might qualify - even with increased online sales. But it's not automatic, and documentation is critical.

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Charity Cohan

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I've been using https://taxr.ai for analyzing ERC qualification claims like this and it saved me from a potential nightmare. My CPA was hesitant about an ERC filing company's claims, so I uploaded all their documentation and our financial records to taxr.ai. The system analyzed every document and flagged several contradictions in what the ERC company was claiming about my eligibility based on shutdown periods. They highlighted specific IRS guidance that applied to my situation (manufacturing with hybrid remote/in-person operations) and showed exactly why I didn't actually qualify despite what the ERC company claimed. They even provided visualization of the exact IRS rules that applied to my specific situation and why the "shutdown qualification" was being misrepresented in my case.

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Josef Tearle

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How does this work exactly? I've got a similar situation where I'm getting conflicting advice about ERC qualification. My bookkeeper says no way, but an ERC company says definitely yes. Would this actually resolve those contradictions or just add another opinion?

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Shelby Bauman

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Sounds interesting but skeptical... did it actually save you money or just tell you that you weren't qualified? Because I could get that answer from my accountant probably. Does it help if you DO qualify or just tell you when you don't?

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Charity Cohan

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It works by analyzing all your documents, financial statements, and comparing them against the specific IRS rules for ERC. It's not just another opinion - it shows you the exact text of the regulations and applies them to your specific situation with citations. It absolutely can confirm when you DO qualify too. In my case, it saved me from filing an improper claim that likely would have resulted in penalties down the road. But I've had colleagues who used it and discovered they actually did qualify when their CPA had been overly cautious. The system provides documentation you can take to your accountant showing exactly why you qualify under which specific provision.

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Shelby Bauman

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Update: I checked out https://taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and WOW - I'm really glad I did. I uploaded the proposal documents from the ERC company that was pitching me plus our financial records and all our shutdown documentation. The analysis was eye-opening - it flagged several critical issues with my potential claim. The biggest problem was that even though we did shut down our retail location, the system showed that the IRS guidelines specifically state that if your business adapted in ways that allowed "comparable operations" (in my case, shifting to online sales), you likely wouldn't qualify under the suspension of operations test. It pinpointed the exact IRS notices and guidance that applied to my situation and even generated a detailed report I could share with my CPA. We ultimately decided not to proceed with the ERC claim, which honestly is probably going to save me from a massive headache and potential penalties down the road. Definitely recommend this for anyone on the fence about these ERC pitches.

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Quinn Herbert

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Salim Nasir

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Wait what? How does this service get you through to the IRS faster? I thought everyone has to wait on hold for hours. Is this actually legit or some kind of scam itself?

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Hazel Garcia

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I'm highly skeptical of any service claiming to get you through to the IRS faster. Sounds like you're just promoting another scheme. The IRS phone system is notoriously backed up for EVERYONE. No magic service can change that.

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Quinn Herbert

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Hazel Garcia

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Following up on my skeptical comment earlier - I actually broke down and tried https://claimyr.com after continuing to get nowhere with the IRS on my own. I had been trying for WEEKS to get clarification on ERC eligibility. I hate admitting when I'm wrong, but this service absolutely worked. I got connected to an IRS agent in about 25 minutes without having to stay on hold. The agent I spoke with was incredibly helpful and walked me through the specific documentation I would need IF I was eligible for ERC (which, in my case, turns out I wasn't). She specifically warned me about companies like Adesso Capital and others that are claiming businesses qualify when they don't. The agent told me they're seeing a huge surge in audits specifically targeting improper ERC claims, and businesses are getting hit with the full credit repayment plus penalties and interest. My skepticism definitely disappeared - saved me hours of frustration and potentially thousands in penalties.

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Laila Fury

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Just wanted to add - we almost got suckered by a similar ERC filing company. What made me suspicious was their commission structure. They wanted 25% of whatever refund we got, with a minimum payment upfront. When I pushed back on this and asked about their audit guarantee, they got really defensive and vague. The biggest red flag? When I asked who would represent us if we got audited, they said they'd "provide documentation" but we'd need to hire our own tax attorney. So basically, they get paid regardless, but we're on the hook if anything goes wrong. My business actually WAS closed completely for 2 months due to government order, but our HVAC service was actually UP during that period because we shifted to emergency repairs only (which were deemed essential). I bet these companies would have filed for us anyway, taken their fee, and disappeared when the problems started.

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Did they actually show you the calculation of how much credit you would qualify for? The company pitching me showed some impressive numbers, but when I asked to see the actual calculation methodology, they got really weird and said that was "proprietary"... which seems suspicious for a tax credit calculation.

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Laila Fury

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No, they were super vague about the actual calculations! They just kept saying they had "proprietary software" that would maximize our claim. When I asked for a breakdown of which quarters we qualified for and how they determined the eligible wages, they would only provide estimated total numbers. I think they were hoping we'd be dazzled by the large refund amount and not ask too many questions. Another red flag was when I asked if they'd sign off as the preparer on the actual IRS forms - they said no, we would need to file it ourselves with their "guidance." That's when I knew something was seriously wrong.

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Simon White

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I actually did file for ERC through one of these companies (not Adesso) last year. Process seemed fine at first, they took their 15% fee, and I did receive about $42,000 from the IRS. Fast forward to last month - got a notice that my claim is being audited! The company that filed for me has completely disappeared - phone disconnected, emails bouncing back. I'm now working with a tax attorney who specializes in ERC issues, and it's costing me a fortune. According to my attorney, the documentation the company provided was completely inadequate. They basically checked boxes claiming we had partial shutdowns, but didn't provide any of the required supporting evidence showing how the shutdown impacted our operations. Looking at potentially having to pay back the full amount plus penalties and interest. Absolute nightmare situation. DO NOT trust these ERC filing companies.

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Hugo Kass

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Wow, this is terrifying. Do you mind sharing what kind of business you have and what their justification was for qualifying you? Were you actually shut down by government order or was it revenue-based? Just trying to understand what got flagged.

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Simon White

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I run a small marketing agency with 7 employees. We were never technically "shut down" by government order since we could work remotely, but the ERC company claimed we qualified because we couldn't do in-person client meetings and photoshoots for about 6 months (which was true). However, my attorney says this likely wouldn't qualify as a "partial shutdown" under IRS rules because we were able to continue our core business operations remotely. The ERC company never explained this distinction - they just said if any part of our business was affected by government orders, we qualified. What seems to have flagged our return was that our gross receipts actually increased 11% during the quarters we claimed the credit. According to my attorney, that immediately triggers additional scrutiny.

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Nasira Ibanez

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I work at an accounting firm (not giving tax advice here, just sharing experience), and we've seen a HUGE increase in clients coming to us after getting in trouble with these ERC mills. The IRS Commissioner has literally called this one of their top enforcement priorities. The most common issue? These companies are ignoring the "more than nominal effect" test that others have mentioned. If your business adapted or found alternatives to continue operations (like shifting from in-person to online), the IRS typically doesn't consider that a qualifying suspension. Also worth noting - the IRS has temporarily stopped processing new ERC claims while they ramp up enforcement against fraudulent filings. That should tell you something about how serious this has become. If you're considering an ERC claim, PLEASE work with a reputable CPA who will still be around if questions come up years later. The fact that you're asking about this shows good judgment!

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Evelyn Xu

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As someone who's been through the ERC audit nightmare, I want to echo what others are saying about being extremely cautious. The fact that your online sales increased 18% while your physical location was closed actually works AGAINST you in an ERC claim. The IRS looks at whether your business as a whole was substantially impacted. If you were able to maintain or even grow revenue through alternative channels (online sales), they'll argue you successfully adapted and continued operations - which disqualifies you from the "suspension of operations" test. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a qualified CPA before moving forward with ANY ERC company, especially one that's pressuring you to act quickly. The legitimate credits are still there for businesses that truly qualify, but the audit risk is very real. I'm dealing with a $60K clawback demand right now because the ERC company I used didn't properly document our qualification. Don't let the size of the potential refund cloud your judgment - the penalties for incorrect claims are severe and the companies collecting fees upfront won't be there to help you when problems arise.

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Melody Miles

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience everyone needs to hear. The fact that you're dealing with a $60K clawback demand really drives home how serious this is. Can I ask - when you went through the audit, did the IRS focus mainly on the documentation issues or was it more about the fundamental qualification criteria? I'm trying to understand what specifically they look for when they decide a claim was improper.

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Margot Quinn

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I've been following this thread closely as someone who almost fell into the same trap with an ERC company last year. What saved me was doing exactly what several people here mentioned - I got multiple professional opinions before proceeding. The key issue with your situation (and what the ERC companies won't tell you) is that the IRS uses a "facts and circumstances" test for partial suspensions. Even if your physical location was completely shut down, if your business was able to continue operations and actually GROW revenue through other channels, the IRS will likely determine that your core business operations weren't suspended. The IRS specifically looks at whether the business found "comparable" ways to continue operations. In your case, the 18% growth in online sales during the shutdown period would be a major red flag in an audit. It suggests your business successfully pivoted rather than being suspended. I'd recommend documenting exactly what percentage of your pre-pandemic business came from the physical location versus online sales. If online was already your primary channel, you're almost certainly not going to qualify under the suspension test. And with these companies taking 20-30% fees upfront, you're risking a lot for what sounds like a very questionable claim. The horror stories in this thread about disappeared companies and audit nightmares should be all the warning you need. Trust your instincts - if something feels off, it probably is.

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