ERC Calculation for Small Business - Confused about Payroll Tax Credit vs Deferment

After months of back and forth, I finally managed to get my bookkeeper to understand that the Employee Retention Credit is an actual credit against employment taxes, not just a deferment of social security taxes. She kept treating it like the social security tax deferment program and insisted it wasn't a refundable credit. We're a small restaurant that kept most staff on payroll during the lockdowns, and I've been trying to calculate how much we qualify for. My bookkeeper kept saying we could "delay paying" the employer portion of social security taxes, but wouldn't acknowledge this is a separate program that's an actual credit for qualifying wages. Has anyone gone through the ERC calculation process? I'm looking at Q1-Q3 2021 when our revenue was down about 30% compared to 2019. I think we qualify under the "partial suspension of operations" rule too since we were limited to takeout only for part of that time. I've heard the credit can be substantial - up to $7,000 per employee per quarter in 2021. That would be a game-changer for our recovery. I'm thinking I need a new accountant at this point, but wanted to check if anyone here has experience with the actual calculation process?

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19 comments

Michael Green

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You're absolutely right that the ERC is a refundable credit, not a deferment! They are completely different programs. The social security tax deferment was just postponing when you had to pay those taxes, while the ERC is actual money back to businesses that kept employees on payroll. For your calculation, you'll need to identify your "qualified wages" for each quarter. The 2021 ERC allows for a credit of 70% of qualified wages up to $10,000 per employee per quarter (so max $7,000 credit per employee per quarter) for Q1-Q3 2021. If you had under 500 employees, all wages paid during the eligible period count as qualified wages. Since you mentioned a 30% revenue drop compared to 2019, you should qualify under the "decline in gross receipts" test for 2021 (which only required a 20% reduction). Plus, the partial suspension rule would also qualify you separately.

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Michael Green

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Yes, you'll need to file Form 941-X for each quarter you're claiming the credit. Based on your employee count and quarterly wages, you could potentially be looking at a substantial amount - theoretically up to $105,000 per quarter if all employees qualified for the maximum (15 employees × $7,000). Regarding PPP, you can't use the same wages for both programs - no "double dipping." However, you can strategically allocate which wages were covered by PPP and which can be used for ERC. You'll want to optimize this allocation to maximize both benefits. Many businesses use their PPP funds for rent, utilities and other eligible expenses first, saving as many wages as possible for the ERC calculation.

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Mateo Silva

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Mateo Silva

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The whole process took about 2 weeks from when I uploaded our documents to getting the completed 941-X forms ready for submission. Much faster than the 3 months my accountant had been "looking into it." You do need to provide quarterly payroll records, but they have a secure upload system and they're pretty clear about their data protection policies. I was hesitant at first too, but a friend in my industry had used them successfully. They're legitimate - they have tax professionals reviewing everything, not just an algorithm. They even scheduled a call to walk me through some questions about our operational restrictions during the pandemic to confirm our eligibility.

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Cameron Black

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Alexander Evans

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Just a warning to everyone: there are a lot of ERC mills out there making false claims about eligibility. Make sure your business truly qualifies before filing for the credit. The IRS has specifically flagged ERC for enhanced scrutiny. You need to show either: 1) Significant decline in gross receipts (50% for 2020, 20% for 2021) OR 2) Full or partial suspension of operations due to government orders The "partial suspension" has to have actually impacted your business operations significantly. Just having capacity limits might not be enough if it didn't actually hamper your business.

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Alexander Evans

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Yes, restaurants that were forced to close their dining rooms and switch to takeout-only would generally qualify under the partial suspension test. That's a clear case where government orders directly limited your normal operations in a significant way. The key is documenting exactly how these restrictions impacted your business. Keep copies of the local/state orders that required the closure of your dining room, notes about dates these were in effect, and evidence of how it affected your operations (like showing you normally had dine-in service before the pandemic). The IRS will be looking closely at these claims, so having good documentation is crucial. The switch from dine-in to takeout-only is actually one of the examples the IRS itself has used of qualifying partial suspension.

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