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Ethan Anderson

Do I qualify for Employee Retention Credit beyond gross receipts reduction? Small healthcare business seeking ERC advice

I run a small healthcare practice with 8 employees and I've already qualified for the Employee Retention Credit for Q2 and Q3 of 2021 based on our reduced gross receipts. Yesterday, I got a call from some ERC filing company claiming they can get me qualified for Q1 2021 even though we didn't have a drop in receipts during that period. They're also saying I'm still eligible for 2020 ERC money despite having received two PPP loans. My accountant seems clueless about these "alternative qualification methods" which is throwing up major red flags for me. But at the same time, I don't want to leave legitimate money on the table if I actually qualify. The company claims there are other ways to qualify besides the gross receipts reduction test - something about government orders affecting operations? They're pretty aggressive and keep calling, saying they've helped dozens of healthcare practices just like mine. I'm really concerned this might be some sketchy approach that wouldn't hold up if I got audited years down the road. Has anyone dealt with this? Are there legitimate ways to qualify for Employee Retention Credit besides the gross receipts reduction? When I Google it, I see tons of companies making similar claims, which makes me even more suspicious.

Layla Mendes

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The Employee Retention Credit does indeed have two main qualification paths - the gross receipts reduction test (which you've already used) AND the government orders test. For the government orders test, you need to show that your business was fully or partially suspended due to government orders limiting commerce, travel, or group meetings due to COVID-19. For healthcare practices, this could include things like state or local restrictions that limited non-emergency procedures, reduced capacity requirements, or mandated operational changes that significantly impacted your business. The key is that these orders must have created more than a nominal impact on your business operations. Regarding 2020 credits with PPP loans - the rules changed retroactively. Initially, you couldn't claim both, but legislation later allowed businesses to claim ERC even if they received PPP loans (you just can't use the same wages for both programs). That said, be extremely cautious with firms promising easy qualification. The IRS has explicitly warned about aggressive ERC mills making false claims. Make sure any firm you work with does a thorough analysis of your specific situation, documents everything meticulously, and stands behind their work if you're audited.

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What exactly qualifies as "more than nominal impact" for the government orders test? Our practice had to implement social distancing, extra cleaning between patients, and reduce waiting room capacity, but we never fully shut down. Would that count?

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Layla Mendes

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For the government orders test, the IRS considers an impact to be "more than nominal" if it resulted in at least a 10% reduction in your ability to provide services. So if your waiting room capacity reduction, longer appointment times due to cleaning protocols, or other mandated changes caused at least a 10% reduction in your ability to see patients or provide services, that could qualify. It's worth noting that the specific circumstances really matter here. For example, if you were able to quickly pivot to telehealth and maintain your patient volume, the IRS might argue you weren't truly suspended. Documentation is absolutely critical - you need to keep records of the specific government orders that affected you and exactly how they impacted your operations.

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Aria Park

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Noah Ali

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Aria Park

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They actually analyze all your financial documents, payroll records, and the specific government orders that affected your business to determine if you genuinely qualify. They don't handle the actual filing - they give you a detailed qualification analysis that you can take to your CPA to file the amended returns. That's what made me trust them - they weren't trying to take over the whole process. For my brother's PT practice, they'd look at the specific restrictions that affected his operations and whether those created more than a nominal impact (the 10% rule the expert mentioned). They provide clear documentation of why you do or don't qualify that would stand up to IRS scrutiny.

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Olivia Harris

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Alicia Stern

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I work at a CPA firm and want to add some perspective here. The Employee Retention Credit has become a huge area of aggressive marketing with some very questionable practices. Most of these ERC mills are working on 15-25% contingency fees, which creates a huge incentive for them to "find" ways you qualify, regardless of audit risk. For healthcare specifically, we're seeing these firms use very creative interpretations of partial suspension rules - like claiming that mask requirements or temperature checks constituted a partial shutdown of operations. While these measures certainly affected businesses, they often don't meet the "more than nominal effect" threshold required by the IRS. The IRS has explicitly warned about this and is actively auditing these claims. They've even created a withdrawal program because so many businesses are realizing they claimed credits they weren't entitled to.

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Thanks for the insider perspective. My gut feeling was that this was too good to be true. The company that contacted me was pushing hard on things like "mandatory PPE requirements affected your operations" but it really didn't impact our patient volume at all. At most we spent an extra 5 minutes on cleaning between patients. Do you think it's worth getting a second opinion from another CPA who specializes in ERC, or is this pretty cut and dry from what I've described?

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Alicia Stern

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Based on what you've described, it doesn't sound like you'd qualify for the additional quarters under the government orders test if the operational impact was minimal and patient volume wasn't significantly affected. The 5 minutes of extra cleaning between patients almost certainly wouldn't meet the 10% "more than nominal" threshold unless you can demonstrate it substantially reduced your capacity. Getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in ERC could be valuable, but make sure it's someone who charges a flat fee for their analysis rather than a contingency fee based on credits obtained. When someone's payment depends on finding credits, there's an inherent conflict of interest. The fact that you've already claimed the credit for quarters where you clearly qualified (based on gross receipts) shows you're not leaving money on the table when eligibility is clear. That's the right approach.

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I qualified for ERC based on the government orders test for my restaurant, and the IRS has already processed and paid my claim. The key was having extremely solid documentation. I kept copies of: 1. All state and local orders that affected my business 2. Written explanations of exactly how each order impacted operations 3. Capacity calculations showing more than 10% reduction 4. Financial records showing the impact The companies pushing "easy qualification" often skip this documentation step, which is exactly what triggers audits. If you can't clearly demonstrate and document the impact, you probably don't qualify.

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Drake

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Did you file yourself or use a service? I'm trying to figure out if I should amend the returns myself or hire someone. My bookkeeper says she can do it but I'm worried about getting it wrong.

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Aisha Patel

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As someone who went through a similar situation with aggressive ERC marketing calls, I'd strongly recommend being extremely cautious. I run a small medical practice and got the same types of calls claiming I qualified for quarters I hadn't considered. The red flag for me was when these companies couldn't provide specific documentation about which government orders affected my practice or exactly how they calculated the "more than nominal" impact. They kept giving vague answers about "operational restrictions" without being able to quantify the actual impact on my business. I ended up doing my own research and found that while we did have some COVID-related operational changes (temperature checks, increased cleaning, etc.), these didn't actually reduce our patient capacity or service delivery by the required 10% threshold. The extra 10-15 minutes between appointments for cleaning protocols was inconvenient but didn't materially impact our ability to serve patients. The fact that your accountant isn't familiar with these "alternative qualification methods" isn't necessarily a red flag about your accountant - it might be a red flag about the methods themselves. Most legitimate CPAs are very familiar with both the gross receipts test and the government orders test for ERC qualification. Given that you've already claimed ERC for the quarters where you clearly qualified, I'd recommend sticking with that unless you can document a clear, measurable impact from government orders that reduced your operational capacity by at least 10%. The audit risk just isn't worth it for questionable claims.

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