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Mohammed Khan

Can you still claim ERC on a late original 941 filing? Deadline concerns

Hey tax wizards of Reddit, I'm in a bit of a sticky situation with a small business I'm helping out. I handle bookkeeping for a local boutique, and I've just discovered that their Q2 2021 Form 941 was never received by the IRS. Actually, there were several quarters with this issue (apparently USPS wasn't being kind to us), but I thought they were all sorted out. I've switched to e-filing in 2023 to avoid this mess going forward. Here's my dilemma - I know the IRS set April 15, 2025 as the deadline for 2021 Employee Retention Credit claims. But can the owner still claim ERC on this super late original 941 filing? The business definitely qualifies for it, and we had included the credit when I initially prepared the return. I can't find any specific guidance saying she can't do this. What makes me nervous is that she didn't make any tax deposits that quarter since she was counting on the ERC eligibility, so if the IRS denies it, she's looking at a pretty substantial tax bill. Any insights would be greatly appreciated! This is literally the only financial service I provide for this business, and I'd hate to mess it up.

Gavin King

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Yes, you can still claim the ERC on a late original Form 941 filing! The IRS has been clear that the April 15, 2025 deadline applies to all 2021 ERC claims, including those on original returns. The important thing is that you're filing an original return, not an amended one (Form 941-X). What you need to do is prepare and file that Q2 2021 Form 941 exactly as you would have done originally, claiming the ERC as intended. Make sure you include all the necessary documentation to support the claim. Since this is an original filing (even though it's very late), the April 2025 deadline still applies. Just be aware there may be late filing penalties, but those are separate from the ERC eligibility. The business would still be eligible for the credit itself if they meet all the qualification requirements.

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Nathan Kim

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Thanks for the info! I have a similar situation but with Q3 2021. Will I also face penalties even if the ERC essentially zeros out what I would've owed? And how bad are these penalties usually?

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Gavin King

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You will likely face some penalties for the late filing itself, regardless of whether the tax liability is zeroed out by the ERC. The IRS typically charges a failure-to-file penalty of 5% of the unpaid tax for each month or part of a month the return is late, up to 25%. The good news is that if the ERC completely eliminates your tax liability, the penalty amount might be minimal since it's calculated as a percentage of unpaid tax. However, there's also a minimum penalty for returns filed more than 60 days late, which could still apply. You might want to include a reasonable cause statement explaining the circumstances of your late filing and request penalty abatement.

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Kaylee Cook

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One important thing nobody's mentioned: make sure you have SOLID documentation for your ERC claim since you're filing so late. The IRS has been increasingly scrutinizing ERC claims, especially late ones. For Q2 2021, you need evidence of either: 1) A full or partial suspension of operations due to government orders, or 2) A significant decline in gross receipts (comparing Q2 2021 to Q2 2019) Gather all relevant documentation now (government closure orders, financial statements, etc.) and keep it organized. With late filings, there's a higher chance of review, and you don't want to be scrambling for documentation years later.

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Do you know if emails count as documentation? I have emails from our county health department telling us to limit capacity, but no official "order" since we were technically allowed to stay open at reduced capacity.

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Kaylee Cook

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Emails from government officials can certainly be part of your documentation package, especially if they specifically mention capacity restrictions for your business. The key is having evidence that shows an actual impact on your business operations. Save those emails and also document how those capacity restrictions materially affected your business operations. For example, if you had to reduce staff hours or couldn't serve as many customers, create a written explanation with supporting evidence like staff schedules or sales records showing the impact. The more comprehensive your documentation, the stronger your position will be if questioned by the IRS.

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Lara Woods

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Question about the actual filing - I'm in a similar situation with late original 941s for 2021. Are you guys paper filing these late originals or using e-file? My software won't let me e-file anything from 2021 anymore.

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Adrian Hughes

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I had to paper file my late 2021 forms. Most software cuts off e-filing for prior years after a certain point. Just make sure to send it certified mail with return receipt so you have proof of filing date!

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As someone who works in tax compliance, I want to emphasize that while you can still claim ERC on late original 941 filings before the April 2025 deadline, you should be extra careful about your qualification documentation given the increased IRS scrutiny on ERC claims. Since you mentioned the business didn't make tax deposits that quarter because they were counting on ERC eligibility, make absolutely sure you have bulletproof documentation for whichever qualification test you're using (government orders or significant decline in gross receipts). The IRS has been particularly aggressive in auditing situations where businesses relied heavily on ERC to offset their tax liability. Also, consider filing Form 7200 (Advance Payment of Employer Credits) documentation if you haven't already, as this can help establish the timeline of your ERC claim intentions. Given that this is a boutique business, you'll likely qualify under the government closure/restriction test rather than the gross receipts test, so focus your documentation there. One last tip: include a cover letter with your filing explaining the circumstances of the late submission and your reasonable cause for the delay (USPS delivery issues). This proactive approach can sometimes help with penalty abatement requests down the line.

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Anita George

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation for a client. Quick question about the Form 7200 - if we never filed one originally (since we were planning to claim ERC on the quarterly return), is it too late to file it now? Or should we just focus on the 941 with proper documentation? I don't want to create any red flags by filing forms out of sequence this late in the game.

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