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Can I use bonus depreciation to write off 100% of a 3k pound car for my business?

I run a small business as a sole proprietor and I'm looking to buy a car soon. I'm hoping to write off as much of it as possible but I'm going to use it less than 50% for business purposes. I've been doing some research and I know that Section 179 deductions require the GVW to be over 6,000 pounds. But I really want something smaller and more fuel efficient - around 3,000 pounds if possible. What I'm wondering is: can I still deduct 100% of the purchase price using bonus depreciation instead of Section 179? I read somewhere that bonus depreciation can be used for assets that are either business or personal use. Also, what happens with recapture if I sell the car in a few years? I'm 17 right now and will probably either sell the car when I go to college or leave it with my parents. Would I have to pay back some of the tax benefits? Thanks for any advice you can give!

When it comes to bonus depreciation for vehicles under 6,000 pounds used less than 50% for business, you can't deduct 100% of the purchase price. Since your business use is less than 50%, you'll need to follow different rules. First, you can only depreciate the business-use percentage of the vehicle. If you use it 40% for business, you can only depreciate 40% of the cost. Also, for passenger vehicles, there are "luxury auto limits" that restrict how much you can deduct each year regardless of the vehicle's cost. For 2023 (and likely similar for 2024-2025), if you place a passenger automobile in service and don't claim bonus depreciation, the maximum allowable depreciation is $11,200 for the first year. With bonus depreciation, it's $19,200 for the first year. And remember - this is further limited by your business-use percentage. For recapture, if you sell the car or convert it to personal use, you'll likely have to recapture (report as income) some of the depreciation benefits you received. Since you're planning to sell when you go to college, you would calculate the difference between your depreciated basis and the selling price. You might want to consider leasing instead, as the rules can be more favorable in some situations.

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Thanks for the info! I'm still a bit confused though. If I buy a $25,000 car and use it 40% for business, does that mean I can deduct $19,200 × 40% = $7,680 in the first year? Or is it capped at 40% of the car's value which would be $10,000? Also, does bonus depreciation work differently than regular depreciation for cars? I've heard bonus is better but not sure why.

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The $19,200 first-year limit already includes bonus depreciation, and that's the maximum you could claim if it were 100% business use. Since you're at 40% business use, you'd be limited to 40% of that amount, which is $7,680 for the first year. Bonus depreciation allows for more upfront deduction in the first year compared to regular depreciation which would spread the deduction over several years. For 2023, bonus depreciation is at 80% of the cost (subject to the luxury auto limits for passenger vehicles), but this percentage will decrease to 60% in 2024, 40% in 2025, and 20% in 2026 before phasing out completely.

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Based on your age (under 18), I think you should be extra careful here. The fact that you're a sole proprietor at 17 is great, but it also raises some potential complications. Since you're a minor, the way your business income and deductions are reported might be affected by your parents' tax situation. In some cases, what's called the "Kiddie Tax" could apply to your business income. Have you talked with your parents about how they're handling your business income on their tax returns? Before making any major purchases with tax implications, that's an important conversation to have.

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I actually haven't discussed this with my parents in detail yet. They let me run my business independently, but you make a good point about the tax implications. My business made about $22,000 last year, and I was planning to file my own return. What's this "Kiddie Tax" you mentioned? Does it mean I can't take the same deductions as adult business owners?

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The Kiddie Tax applies to unearned income (like investment income) above certain thresholds for dependents under 19 (or 24 for full-time students). Business income is generally considered earned income, so your business profits would typically not be subject to Kiddie Tax rules. However, since you're a minor, there are still considerations about whether you file your own return or are claimed as a dependent on your parents' return. With $22,000 in business income, you would need to file your own return for that income, but your parents might still claim you as a dependent if they provide more than half of your support.

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Don't forget to look into mileage tracking apps! I made the mistake of not tracking my miles properly when I started my business and lost out on thousands in deductions. Even though you're using the car less than 50% for business, every business mile counts. You can either take the standard mileage rate (65.5 cents per mile in 2023) OR actual expenses including depreciation - but not both. For someone your age just starting out, I actually recommend the standard mileage method. It's simpler and often works out better for smaller vehicles with good fuel economy. Plus, you avoid all the recapture headaches if you sell the car later.

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Which mileage app do you recommend? I tried one last year but kept forgetting to use it.

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