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Sasha Ivanov

Can I max out my Roth IRA with less than $7k in 1099 income after deductions?

Hey everyone! So I'm 19 and I've been delivering for UberEats and Instacart part-time while taking classes full-time at community college. I'm trying to be smart with my money and started looking into retirement accounts. I made about $13k this year from deliveries, but after taking all the mileage deductions and other business expenses, my actual adjusted gross income is probably going to be around $6,500. My question is - can I still contribute the full $6,500 to a Roth IRA even though my net income after all these self-employment deductions is basically the same amount? I wasn't sure if there was some rule about needing to have more income than what you contribute or if I'm good to max it out with what I have. I'd really appreciate any advice!

You've asked a great question about Roth IRA contributions! The short answer is that you can contribute up to the LESSER of: 1) your earned income for the year, or 2) the annual contribution limit ($6,500 for 2025 if you're under 50). In your case, if your earned income after business deductions is $6,500, then that's the maximum you can contribute to your Roth IRA. You couldn't contribute the full $6,500 if your earned income was less than that amount. The IRS considers your earned income to be your income after business deductions but before your standard/itemized deductions. It's fantastic that you're thinking about retirement savings at 19! Starting early gives your money so much more time to grow. Just make sure you keep good records of your income and expenses since you're self-employed.

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Does this mean that if OP's earnings after business deductions drops to like $5,800, they could only put in $5,800 instead of the full $6,500? And what about if they also have a small W-2 job - would that income count toward the limit too?

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That's exactly right. If their earnings after business deductions were only $5,800, then $5,800 would be their maximum Roth IRA contribution for the year. Any W-2 income would absolutely count toward their earned income total. So if they had $5,800 in net self-employment income plus $2,000 in W-2 wages, their total earned income would be $7,800, allowing them to contribute the full $6,500 to their Roth IRA.

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Does this actually work for independent contractors and side-gig stuff? I figured these tax tools were mostly for regular W-2 employees. Does it handle the special deductions like mileage and stuff that delivery drivers get?

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I'm suspicious of any service that claims to figure out tax stuff automatically. How does it actually analyze your specific situation? Does it connect to your bank accounts or something? Seems like it would be hard to know your exact deductions.

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Yes, it absolutely works for independent contractors! That's actually where it shines - it handles all the complicated self-employment stuff like differentiating between business expenses and other deductions. It correctly identified which expenses reduced my "earned income" for IRA purposes and which didn't. It doesn't connect to your bank accounts - you just upload your 1099 forms and expense records (I had mine in a spreadsheet), and it analyzes everything. It even caught that my mileage deduction was reducing my earned income for IRA contribution purposes, but my health insurance premium deduction wasn't affecting my contribution limit. I would have calculated wrong on my own.

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One extra thing to consider - You'll also still owe self-employment tax on your $6,500 net income, which is about 15.3%. But you can deduct half of that on your 1040, which might reduce your AGI a tiny bit more. But even with that adjustment, you're still right at the edge of your contribution limit. Might be worth picking up a few extra delivery shifts before year-end if you want to make sure you can max out that Roth!

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Thanks for that tip! I hadn't thought about the self-employment tax deduction reducing my AGI further. Does that mean I technically couldn't contribute the full $6,500 if my income after business expenses is exactly $6,500? Since that half of SE tax deduction would push me below?

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That's a really good question. The self-employment tax deduction doesn't actually reduce your "earned income" for IRA contribution purposes. The IRA contribution is limited by your earned income before adjustments like the SE tax deduction. So if your Schedule C shows $6,500 in net profit, that's your earned income limit for IRA purposes, even though your AGI on the 1040 will be a bit lower after the SE tax deduction.

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Anybody know if OP should consider a Traditional IRA instead of Roth at this income level? With such low income wouldn't it be better to take the tax deduction now?

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At this income level, a Roth is almost definitely better. OP probably won't owe much federal income tax anyway with the standard deduction, so the traditional IRA deduction has minimal value. Plus they'd pay tax on withdrawals in retirement when their tax rate will likely be higher than it is now as a student.

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