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Just a heads up - the Child and Dependent Care Credit form (Form 2441) actually requires you to show that you made a "reasonable effort" to get the provider's TIN. If the provider won't give it to you, you need to be able to show that you actually tried to get it. I'd recommend sending a formal request via certified mail (keep a copy) that specifically asks for their tax ID for Form 2441 purposes. This creates a paper trail showing you made a good faith effort. When I went through this, I included a blank W-10 form (Request for Taxpayer Identification Number) with my letter, which is the official IRS form for requesting this information. You can download it from the IRS website.
That W-10 form tip is gold! I tried this approach with my stubborn daycare provider and she actually filled it out when she saw it was an official IRS form. Sometimes they respond better to official paperwork than just verbal requests.
This is a really frustrating situation, but you have several good options here. The most important thing to understand is that you're absolutely entitled to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit regardless of how you paid - cash payments don't disqualify you. I'd recommend taking a two-step approach: 1) Send her a formal written request (email or certified letter) asking for her EIN or SSN, explaining that you need it to claim the childcare tax credit. Include a specific deadline (maybe 10 business days). This creates documentation that you made a reasonable effort to obtain the information. 2) If she refuses, you can still claim the credit by entering "REFUSED" in the provider identification section of Form 2441. Make sure to keep detailed records of all your payments and any communications about this request. Since you're planning to leave anyway, I wouldn't stress too much about the relationship. Licensed daycare providers are legally required to provide this information to parents who request it for tax purposes. Her refusal suggests she may not be reporting this income, but that's her problem, not yours. The $4,100 you've paid could result in significant tax savings, so it's definitely worth pursuing. Don't let her tax avoidance cost you money you're legally entitled to save.
This is really helpful advice! I'm wondering though - if the daycare provider is licensed, wouldn't there be a way to look up her tax information through the state licensing agency? Or would that information not be publicly available? I'm in a similar situation and trying to figure out all my options before I have to resort to filing with "REFUSED.
PSA for everyone: Save your last paystub of the year ALWAYS!!! I learned this the hard way. If you have your last December paystub, you'll have almost all the info you need if your W-2 gets lost or is super late. Also, check if your company has an online payroll portal like ADP, Workday, UKG, etc. Sometimes W-2s are available electronically there before they arrive in the mail. My company never even mailed mine last year, they just expected everyone to download it from the portal.
This is solid advice!! My company uses Paycom and I completely forgot they post the W-2s there. Just checked and mine is ready to download even though HR sent an email saying paper copies are "in the mail" whatever that means these days lol
Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through this exact situation! I started a job in late November a few years back and was super worried about the same thing. Your employer is absolutely required to send you a W-2 regardless of when you started - even if you only worked one day in 2024, you'd still get one. Since you made $8,500, that's definitely reportable income and your employer will face penalties if they don't provide your W-2 by January 31st. I'd suggest checking if your company has an online payroll system first (like the others mentioned) - that's often the fastest way to get it. Don't stress too much yet since we're still in January, but definitely keep that last pay stub from December handy just in case. The IRS takes missing W-2s seriously, so if your employer is being unresponsive after the deadline, you'll have recourse. Good luck with your first "real job" tax season!
Thank you for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. I'm definitely feeling less anxious about it now. I'll check our company portal tomorrow - I think we use something called BambooHR but I haven't logged in since onboarding. Quick question though - when you said the IRS takes missing W-2s seriously, do you know what kind of penalties employers actually face? I'm just curious how motivated my company would be to get this right if they're running behind.
Hey there! Good luck with your PCS move next month - that's always stressful financially! Based on what others have shared here, that "This return has been paid" message is definitely a good sign. It sounds like TaxAct has processed their fee deduction from your refund, which means the IRS has likely already approved and sent your refund to TaxAct. Since you mentioned you can't check your transcripts, you might want to try the IRS "Where's My Refund" tool if you haven't already - it only needs your SSN, filing status, and refund amount. Most people here seem to get their money within 2-5 days of seeing that message, so fingers crossed yours comes through soon for your move!
Great advice about the "Where's My Refund" tool! I'm also military and went through a PCS last year - totally understand how every dollar counts during that time. Just wanted to add that if you're doing a DITY/PPM move, make sure to keep all your receipts for the tax deduction next year. The moving expenses can really add up but at least you can claim some of it back. Hope your refund comes through quickly and your PCS goes smoothly!
Just wanted to share my recent experience with TaxAct! I had the exact same "This return has been paid" message show up last week and was so confused by the wording. Like others mentioned, it really does mean TaxAct has collected their fees from your refund, which happens after the IRS processes everything. My direct deposit hit my account exactly 3 days after I first saw that message. Since you're PCSing soon and need the funds, you might also want to set up account alerts with your bank so you get notified the moment the deposit comes through - sometimes it arrives earlier in the morning than you'd expect to check. The waiting is definitely nerve-wracking when you're planning a big move, but based on everyone's experiences here, your money should be coming very soon!
This is such a relief to read! I've been using TaxAct for the first time this year and that "This return has been paid" message had me completely confused. I was worried it meant something was wrong with my return. It's crazy how unclear their status messages are - you'd think they'd use more straightforward language like "Fee collection complete" or "Refund being processed to your account." Thanks for sharing your timeline too - 3 days gives me hope since I just saw this message yesterday! Did you get any notification from your bank when it deposited, or did you just happen to check your account?
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of getting the appraisal documentation right. Since your lender is requiring the sale price to be listed at $650,000, make sure you get an independent appraisal that actually supports that value. The IRS could potentially challenge the gift of equity amount if the stated fair market value seems inflated. If the property truly appraises for $650,000, you're golden. But if it only appraises for, say, $500,000, then the actual gift would be $110,000 ($500k - $390k), not $260,000. This affects both the gift tax reporting for your in-laws and ensures the IRS doesn't question the transaction later. I'd recommend getting the appraisal done early in the process so you can adjust the numbers if needed before closing.
Great point about the appraisal! I'm curious - if the appraisal comes in lower than the $650k we're using, would that create any issues with our lender? They seemed pretty set on using that number for their loan calculations. Also, should we get the appraisal done independently or just use whatever the lender orders? I want to make sure we're protected on the tax side but don't want to mess up the mortgage approval process.
As someone who's worked in real estate tax planning, I'd strongly recommend getting both appraisals - one for the lender and an independent one for tax documentation. Many lenders will accept a slightly lower appraisal as long as the loan-to-value ratio still works with their requirements. The key is having solid documentation for the IRS that the fair market value supports your gift of equity calculation. If there's a significant discrepancy between appraisals, you'll want to understand why before closing. Sometimes it's just different methodologies, but occasionally it reveals that the initial value estimate was off. Also consider timing - if you can close this transaction in late December vs early January, it might give your in-laws more flexibility in managing the tax impact across different tax years. They could potentially make estimated payments or adjust withholdings to cover the additional tax liability.
This is really helpful advice about getting dual appraisals. I'm wondering though - if we do find a discrepancy between the lender's appraisal and an independent one, how do we decide which value to use for tax purposes? Does the IRS have a preference for certain types of appraisals or appraisers when it comes to gift transactions like this? I want to make sure we're using the most defensible number possible since this is such a large gift amount.
Cameron Black
Just wanted to add my experience with the ADP mobile app navigation since I struggled with this too. The menu structure can be confusing, but here's the exact path I used: 1. Open ADP mobile app 2. Tap "Myself" at the bottom 3. Scroll down to "Pay & Taxes" section 4. Tap "Tax Withholdings" 5. Look for "Federal" or "Update W-4" 6. Tap "Update" or "Edit" The key thing I learned (the hard way) is that maximizing your take-home pay doesn't necessarily mean claiming full exemption. You can increase your allowances or use the "Additional amount to withhold" field in reverse by putting a negative number if your payroll system allows it. Also, keep detailed records of whatever you do. If you're going through financial hardship, consider speaking with a tax professional about estimated tax payments so you don't get hit with a huge bill next April. Sometimes paying a small amount quarterly is better than owing thousands later with penalties and interest.
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Alice Coleman
ā¢This is really helpful! I've been looking for the exact navigation steps. One question - when you mention putting a negative number in the "Additional amount to withhold" field, does that actually work in ADP? I've heard mixed things about whether payroll systems accept negative values there. Also, totally agree about keeping records - I learned that lesson the hard way a few years ago when I had to reconstruct my withholding changes for the IRS.
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Brielle Johnson
ā¢Great question about the negative values! In my experience, most ADP systems won't accept negative numbers in the "Additional amount to withhold" field - it'll either give you an error or just ignore the negative sign. What I meant was more about using that field strategically along with adjusting your filing status and allowances to minimize withholding. For example, if you're single but claim "Married filing jointly" status with higher allowances, you might not need to mess with the additional withholding field at all. The combination of filing status changes and allowance adjustments can significantly reduce your withholding without needing to claim full exemption. But you're absolutely right about keeping records - I actually keep screenshots of all my W-4 changes in ADP, along with notes about why I made each change. Makes tax time so much easier when you can show exactly what you did and when.
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NebulaNova
I've been through this exact situation and wanted to share what worked for me. First, be really careful about claiming full exemption - the IRS has strict rules about this and you could face penalties if you don't qualify. You can only claim exempt if you had zero tax liability last year AND expect zero this year. For the ADP mobile app, here's the path that worked for me: Go to "Myself" ā "Pay & Taxes" ā "Tax Withholdings" ā "Federal" ā "Update." The interface isn't super intuitive but it's there. Instead of full exemption, consider maximizing your allowances or claiming "Married" filing status even if you're single (this reduces withholding). You can also look into adjusting the values in Step 4 of the W4 form within ADP. One thing that really helped me was understanding that I could significantly reduce my withholding without going fully exempt. I went from having $400+ taken out per paycheck to only about $50 by adjusting my filing status and allowances properly. Still kept me compliant but gave me the cash flow I needed during my tough financial period. Just remember - whatever you reduce now, you might owe later, so try to set aside something if you can for next tax season. Good luck getting through this rough patch!
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Miguel Ortiz
ā¢This is really solid advice! I'm dealing with a similar financial crunch right now and was also considering going fully exempt, but after reading all these responses I think adjusting allowances is definitely the safer route. Quick question - when you changed your filing status to "Married" while being single, did you run into any issues later when filing your actual tax return? I'm worried about creating complications down the road even if it helps my cash flow now. Also, how did you figure out the right number of allowances to claim? I don't want to go too far and end up owing a huge amount next April. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this successfully!
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