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Maya Jackson

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Another option to consider is filing separately from your spouse. If your spouse has significant income but few deductions, while you have business losses or lots of deductions, filing separately might help. But be careful! Filing separately has drawbacks like losing certain tax credits.

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This is actually not great advice for most people. Filing separately usually results in a higher total tax bill. The standard deduction gets cut in half, and you lose access to several valuable credits. Plus with self-employment, filing separately rarely helps since business expenses are deducted before you even get to the filing status decision.

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Emma Davis

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As someone who went through this exact same confusion when I first became self-employed, I can tell you it gets much clearer once you understand the flow. Here's the simple breakdown: 1. First, calculate your business profit on Schedule C: $135,000 revenue - $120,000 business expenses = $15,000 net business income 2. Then, on your main tax return (1040), you'll have that $15,000 as self-employment income plus any other income you and your wife have 3. Finally, you choose standard deduction ($27,700) vs itemized deductions. Since $15,000 - $27,700 = $0 taxable income, standard deduction wins unless you have huge personal deductions One important thing others mentioned: you'll still owe self-employment tax on that $15,000 (about $2,120), but your income tax would be $0. Don't overthink it - business expenses and personal deductions are completely separate things in the tax system. Your business expenses always get deducted first on Schedule C, then you decide standard vs itemized for personal stuff.

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Sean Doyle

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm also new to self-employment taxes and was getting overwhelmed by all the different forms and schedules. Your step-by-step explanation makes it so much clearer - I didn't realize business expenses and personal deductions were handled at completely different stages of the process. Quick question though - when you mention the self-employment tax of about $2,120 on the $15,000, is that something that gets calculated automatically when you file, or do you need to do that calculation separately? I'm using tax software but want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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@Aisha Mahmood, given your specific situation with the significant income drop and new businesses, I'd strongly recommend actually consulting with a tax professional rather than just using software to compare. With your income going from $85k to $25k, you might qualify for certain credits or deductions that weren't available before - like the Earned Income Tax Credit or premium tax credits if you get health insurance through the marketplace. These can be substantial and the eligibility rules are complex. Also, since you mentioned two new businesses with $3k combined profit, there might be startup costs, equipment purchases, or other business expenses you can deduct that could significantly impact which filing status is better. A good tax pro can help you identify legitimate business deductions you might miss. The audit concern is really overblown - the IRS doesn't care if you switch filing status year to year. They're much more interested in unreported income, excessive business deductions relative to income, or mathematical errors. Given the complexity of your situation (income change + new businesses), spending a few hundred on professional advice could easily save you more than that in taxes and give you peace of mind.

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Tyler Murphy

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@Chad Winthrope makes an excellent point about consulting a tax professional given your unique circumstances. I m'new to this community but have been following tax discussions closely since I m'in a similar boat with changing income situations. One thing I d'add - if you do decide to go the professional route, make sure to find someone who specializes in small business taxes since you mentioned the two new ventures. Even though they only made $3k combined, there could be startup expenses from earlier in the year or equipment purchases that could create deductions larger than the actual profit. Also, with your income dropping so dramatically, you might want to look into whether you qualify for any retroactive credits or if there are estimated tax payment adjustments you should make for next year to avoid penalties. A good CPA can help map out a multi-year strategy rather than just optimizing this one return. Thanks for sharing your situation - it s'really helpful to see how others navigate these filing status decisions!

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I've been dealing with a similar filing status decision and wanted to share something that might help. Beyond just comparing the immediate tax impact, consider how your choice affects other financial areas. Since your income dropped significantly to $25k, filing separately might actually make you eligible for income-based benefits that you wouldn't qualify for with your combined $83k household income. Things like premium tax credits for health insurance, certain state benefits, or income-driven student loan payments (if applicable) could be affected. The small businesses are another factor - even at $3k profit, make sure you're tracking all legitimate expenses throughout the year. Things like mileage, home office use, equipment, supplies, and even business-related meals can add up. Sometimes the business deductions alone can tip the scales toward one filing status being clearly better. One practical tip: if you're using tax software, don't just look at the refund amount. Look at your actual tax liability under each scenario. Sometimes a smaller refund actually means you paid less tax overall (which is better for your finances). The audit concern really isn't something to worry about with a simple filing status change. The IRS processes millions of returns where people switch between joint and separate filing - it's completely normal.

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Dyllan Nantx

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@Sophie Footman brings up a really important point about looking beyond just the immediate tax refund. As someone new to this community, I m'learning so much from these discussions! The income-based benefits angle is something I hadn t'considered before. With your income dropping to $25k, you might qualify for things like premium tax credits that could save you hundreds or even thousands on health insurance - but only if your individual income not (household income is) what s'evaluated. I m'curious though - how do you determine which income gets considered for things like health insurance subsidies when you re'married? Is it always based on your joint income regardless of how you file taxes, or does filing separately actually allow you to use just your individual income for some programs? Also, @Sophie Footman mentioned tracking business expenses throughout the year - that s such'good advice. Even for small businesses, those deductions can really add up and might make a bigger difference in your tax calculation than the filing status itself. Thanks for sharing all these insights everyone - this thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding all the factors beyond just which gives "the bigger refund.

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Diego Rojas

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I went through this exact dilemma last year! After a lot of research and talking to a tax professional, I can confirm that "Investor" is definitely the right choice for your situation. The key thing to remember is that your occupation should align with how you're actually filing your taxes. Since you don't qualify for trader tax status, you'll be reporting all your gains and losses on Schedule D and Form 8949 - which is exactly what investors do. You're not filing Schedule C (business income) because trading securities for your own account to generate capital gains is investing, not running a business. I was also worried about audit flags initially, but my CPA explained that the IRS sees this situation all the time - especially with more people leaving traditional jobs to trade full-time. As long as you're accurately reporting all your income and paying the correct taxes, listing "Investor" won't raise any red flags. One tip: make sure you're properly tracking all your trades and any wash sale adjustments. TurboTax can sometimes miss these details with active trading, so double-check everything before filing. You're overthinking this - "Investor" is the accurate, IRS-recognized occupation for what you're doing. Go with confidence!

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I'm definitely overthinking it, but when you're dealing with taxes it's hard not to worry about getting something wrong. Your point about the occupation needing to align with how you file is exactly what I needed to understand - since I'll be using Schedule D for capital gains, "Investor" is clearly the right match. Quick question about the wash sale tracking you mentioned - did you end up having to manually calculate those or did you find software that handled it properly? I've been hearing mixed things about how well TurboTax deals with frequent trading and wash sales.

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Micah Trail

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I just went through this same situation last year! After consulting with my accountant and doing research, I can confirm that "Investor" is absolutely the correct occupation to list for your situation. The IRS makes a clear distinction: if you're buying and selling securities for your own account to generate capital gains (which is what you're doing), you're an investor. The "trader tax status" is a very specific classification with strict requirements that most people don't meet, and since you mentioned you don't qualify, you're definitely in the investor category. Don't worry about audit flags - this is actually a very common situation. The IRS sees plenty of people who have transitioned from traditional employment to full-time investing/trading. As long as you're accurately reporting all your capital gains and losses on Schedule D and Form 8949, and paying the appropriate taxes, listing "Investor" as your occupation is completely legitimate and expected. "Unemployed" would be incorrect since you are actively working to generate income. "Self-employed" typically applies to people running businesses or providing services, which doesn't match your activity of investing in securities. You're on the right track - just list "Investor" and move forward with confidence!

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The one thing that really helped me as an intern was setting aside a percentage of each paycheck for taxes, especially if your employer isn't withholding enough. I got hit with a surprise tax bill because my summer internship didn't withhold correctly. Better to have extra money saved than to owe unexpectedly! For the 12% bracket, maybe set aside 20% to cover federal, state, and FICA taxes.

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This is such great advice about setting aside money for taxes! I learned this the hard way during my first internship too. One thing I'd add - if you're earning enough to be in the 12% bracket like you mentioned, you might also want to consider making quarterly estimated tax payments, especially if your employer isn't withholding enough. The IRS generally expects you to pay taxes as you earn income, so if you end up owing more than $1,000 when you file, you could face underpayment penalties. Since internships are often just for a few months, the withholding calculations might not account for your full-year income properly. You can use Form 1040-ES to calculate and make quarterly payments. It might seem like a hassle, but it's better than getting hit with both a big tax bill AND penalties at filing time. Plus it helps with budgeting since you're spreading the tax burden throughout the year instead of one big hit.

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That's really helpful about the quarterly payments! I had no idea about the $1,000 threshold for penalties. Quick question - when you say the withholding calculations might not account for full-year income properly, do you mean because the internship is only a few months but the system assumes I'll be earning that rate all year? So it under-withholds thinking my annual income is lower than it actually will be when combined with other jobs or income throughout the year?

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StarSailor

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Just wanted to chime in with some reassurance based on what I'm seeing here! The processing times for 2025 are definitely much better than previous years. Most people are reporting 12-15 day turnarounds for e-filed returns with direct deposit, which is fantastic compared to the 6+ week waits we dealt with in 2024. Since you e-filed last week, you should hopefully see your refund within the next 1-2 weeks based on these timelines. The IRS has really stepped up their game with system improvements, and even more complex returns with multiple income sources or credits are processing smoothly. For your car repair situation, I'd definitely recommend getting a quote now so you know what you're working with financially. Most auto shops are understanding about tax refund timing, and some might even offer payment plans if needed. Keep checking the "Where's My Refund?" tool daily (it updates overnight), and make sure you have your exact refund amount, filing status, and SSN ready when you check. The tool is pretty picky about having all the details match perfectly. Based on all the positive experiences shared here, you should be in good shape! The consistency of these fast processing times is really encouraging for anyone filing this season.

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GalaxyGlider

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This whole thread has been so helpful! As someone who just joined this community, I'm really impressed by how everyone is sharing their actual experiences and timelines rather than just repeating generic IRS guidance. I'm in a similar situation to the original poster - filed my return last Monday and desperately need my refund for some home repairs after a pipe burst. Seeing all these 12-15 day processing times gives me so much hope! I was preparing myself for the horror stories I heard about last year's processing delays. The tip about having exact details ready for the "Where's My Refund?" tool is really valuable - I didn't realize it was so strict about matching everything perfectly. Going to make sure I have my refund amount and SSN written down correctly before checking. Thanks everyone for creating such a supportive discussion. It's exactly what newcomers like me need when dealing with tax anxiety!

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Yara Sayegh

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Welcome to the community! I'm glad this discussion has been helpful for you. It sounds like you're in a really stressful situation with the pipe burst and needing those repairs done quickly. Based on all the experiences people have shared here, you should be in good shape with your Monday filing. The 12-15 day processing times everyone's reporting are so much better than what we dealt with last year. Since today is Friday, you might even see your refund by the end of next week if the pattern holds! One thing that might help with your pipe situation - if you haven't already, document everything with photos for insurance purposes, and get multiple quotes for the repair work. Some contractors are willing to work with you on timing if you explain you're waiting on a tax refund, especially for emergency repairs like burst pipes. Also, make sure you're checking the "Where's My Refund?" tool with your exact information. It should start showing updates about 24 hours after your return is accepted by the IRS. Hang in there - based on what everyone's sharing, the IRS processing is definitely much more reliable this year. You should hopefully have your refund soon to take care of those repairs!

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Elijah Brown

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Thanks for the warm welcome and all the great advice! I really appreciate everyone being so supportive - this community is amazing for newcomers dealing with tax stress. I'm definitely documenting everything with the pipe damage and have already gotten two quotes. You're right that some contractors are understanding about tax refund timing, especially for emergency situations like this. One even offered to start the work with just a partial payment upfront. I've been checking the "Where's My Refund?" tool daily with my exact info written down, and it just updated to show my return was accepted! So hopefully I'm on track for that 12-15 day timeline everyone's been experiencing. It's such a relief to hear how much better the IRS processing has gotten this year. Last year's horror stories had me really worried, but seeing all these consistent fast processing times gives me so much hope. Fingers crossed I'll have good news to share soon!

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