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Went thru this exact thing and ended up calling the IRS. They said to report my percentage on Schedule D, include a statement with the trust's EIN info, and keep copies of everything the trust gave me. Btw the basis is the value on the date of death, not original purchase price. That's why no gain usually.
How did you determine the date of death value? My mom's house sold for way more than it was worth when she died because the market went crazy, but I don't have an official appraisal from back then.
For the date of death value, you'll need to establish fair market value as of that specific date. If you don't have an official appraisal from then, the IRS accepts several alternatives: comparable sales in the area around that time, tax assessments, or even a retrospective appraisal that estimates what the value would have been on the date of death. Real estate agents can also provide a comparative market analysis (CMA) showing what similar properties sold for around that date. Keep whatever documentation you use - the IRS may ask for it if they have questions about your basis calculation.
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now with my dad's house that we sold through a trust last month. My siblings and I are all confused about the same thing - the 1099-S went to the trust, not us individually. From what I've learned talking to our estate attorney, you definitely need to report your 50% beneficial interest on your personal return, not just what you've received so far. The IRS expects you to report based on your ownership percentage in the trust, regardless of distribution timing. One thing that helped us was getting a letter from our attorney explaining the trust distribution and our individual percentages. We're including copies of this with our tax returns along with a brief statement referencing the trust's 1099-S. Our attorney said this creates a clear paper trail for the IRS if they have any questions about why we're reporting income that doesn't directly match a 1099 in our names. The stepped-up basis rule that others mentioned is huge - make sure you get documentation of the property's value when it was inherited, not what it was originally purchased for. That's probably why you don't have much in capital gains to worry about.
This is really helpful! I'm in almost the exact same boat with my inherited property sale. Getting that letter from the attorney is a great idea - I hadn't thought about creating that paper trail. One quick question though - when you say "stepped-up basis," are you talking about getting the property appraised as of the date of death, or is there some other official process I need to go through? My situation is complicated because the original owner (my aunt) passed away two years ago but we just sold the house last month through the trust.
Quick question for anyone with experience - if my side gig is seasonal (I make handcrafted items that sell mostly around holidays), can I still do the solo 401k thing? Like 80% of my side income comes in November and December, but I work my regular job year-round.
Absolutely! The timing of when you earn the side income doesn't matter for solo 401k eligibility. What matters is that you have self-employment income for the year. You can even wait until after your busy season to see how much you earned, then make your solo 401k contributions strategically. Remember that while the plan needs to be established by December 31st, you can actually make the employer contribution portion until your tax filing deadline (including extensions).
Thanks! That's super helpful. Guess I'll wait until after the holiday rush to see exactly how much I can put away. Seems like a good way to reduce my tax hit from my seasonal sales.
This is such a great discussion! I'm in a similar boat with my freelance web design work alongside my day job. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to consider the administrative burden of maintaining a solo 401k. While the tax benefits are fantastic (I saved about $3,200 in taxes last year), you do need to keep detailed records of your business income and expenses. I use QuickBooks to track everything, which makes it much easier when it's time to calculate my contribution limits. Also, if you're thinking about expanding your side business in the future, the solo 401k becomes even more valuable. As your self-employment income grows, that 25% employer contribution can really add up. Last year I was able to put away an extra $6,800 beyond my regular 401k limits! Just make sure you're treating your LLC seriously as a business - the IRS can get picky if it looks more like a hobby. Keep good records and try to show you're operating with a profit motive.
Great point about the administrative side! I'm just getting started with my photography LLC and already feeling a bit overwhelmed with the record-keeping aspect. Do you have any tips for organizing business expenses specifically for solo 401k calculation purposes? I'm using a basic spreadsheet right now but wondering if QuickBooks is worth the investment for a small side business. Also, how do you handle equipment purchases that span multiple years - like if I buy a $2,000 camera, does that all count against this year's net income for 401k purposes or do I need to depreciate it? The profit motive thing is interesting too - my photography is definitely something I enjoy, but I am actively trying to grow it into a real business. Any red flags I should avoid to make sure the IRS sees it as legitimate?
Quick tip if you're preparing Form 8919 - make sure you enter code G in box c since you've filed the SS-8 but haven't received a determination. Also, you'll need to fill out the employer information in boxes d through f (name, EIN, and address). The other thing people often miss is that the amount from the 1099-NEC goes in column d (Total wages) of Form 8919, and then that same amount needs to be reported on Schedule 1 as "other income" with a note that it's also being reported on Form 8919. This prevents duplicate taxation while ensuring it's properly reported. If the software doesn't seem to be handling this correctly, try entering your 1099-NEC information, but then go back and look for a section about "Forms" or "Miscellaneous Forms" and specifically add Form 8919.
Thanks for this specific advice! This might be exactly what I was missing when trying to use FreeTaxUSA. I'll look for the "Miscellaneous Forms" section and see if I can manually add Form 8919 there. Just to confirm - the income still shows up as "other income" but the software should then not calculate self-employment tax on it because it's being handled through Form 8919 instead?
Exactly right! When you properly complete Form 8919, the income shows up as "other income" on your tax return, but the software should NOT calculate self-employment tax on that amount. Instead, it calculates only the employee portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65% total) through Form 8919. The key is making sure the software knows that this income is being handled by Form 8919 rather than as self-employment income. Some software will automatically make this connection when you add Form 8919, while others require you to manually exclude the 1099-NEC income from self-employment calculations. If FreeTaxUSA still shows self-employment tax after adding Form 8919, you might need to look for a section about "self-employment income" and make sure your 1099-NEC amount isn't being counted there. The same income can't be subject to both self-employment tax AND Form 8919 - it has to be one or the other.
Just wanted to share my experience since I went through this exact situation about 8 months ago. The key thing that helped me was understanding that Form 8919 needs to be treated as a separate form in your tax software, not just an adjustment to your 1099-NEC. In FreeTaxUSA specifically, after you enter your 1099-NEC information, go to the "Federal Taxes" section and look for "Less Common Income" or "Other Tax Situations." There should be an option for "Unreported Social Security and Medicare Tax" or something similar - that's where you'll find Form 8919. When you complete Form 8919, make sure you: 1. Use reason code G (you filed SS-8 but no determination yet) 2. Enter your employer's full information 3. Put the full amount from your 1099-NEC in the wages section The software should then automatically reduce your self-employment tax and only charge you the employee portion of FICA taxes. If it's still showing the full self-employment tax, double-check that the 1099-NEC amount isn't being counted twice in different sections. One last tip - print out your completed return before filing to verify the numbers look right. You should see Form 8919 attached and your total tax should be significantly lower than if you filed as self-employed.
This is incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with FreeTaxUSA for weeks trying to figure out where exactly to enter Form 8919. Your step-by-step instructions about finding it under "Less Common Income" or "Other Tax Situations" is exactly what I needed. I'm going to try this approach tonight and see if I can finally get my return calculated correctly. The idea of printing it out first to verify the numbers is really smart too - I want to make sure everything looks right before I actually file. One quick question - when you say the software should "automatically reduce your self-employment tax," does that mean it should show $0 for self-employment tax, or just a reduced amount? I want to make sure I know what to expect when I see the final calculations. Thanks so much for sharing your experience with the exact same software!
I've been following this discussion as a fellow small business owner, and it's been really eye-opening! I run a small HVAC company with two service vans, and I've been doing exactly what the original poster described - just tracking personal use and assuming everything else is business. What strikes me most is how many people here have gone through audits and learned these lessons the hard way. It's clear that the IRS really does expect documentation of business purpose, not just personal use exclusion, for company-owned vehicles. I'm curious about one practical aspect that hasn't been fully addressed - for those of you who have employees occasionally driving company vehicles, how do you handle the tracking? Do you require them to log trips too, or do you handle it differently since they wouldn't have personal use? I have a part-time helper who sometimes takes one of the vans to pick up supplies or deliver equipment to job sites. Also, for the original poster and others implementing new systems - has anyone found a good balance between thoroughness and practicality? I'm worried about starting too ambitious and then abandoning the system when it becomes cumbersome during busy seasons.
Great question about employee tracking! I'm just getting started with implementing a proper system myself, but from what I've gathered in this discussion, employees driving company vehicles for business purposes only would actually simplify things since there's no personal use to worry about. For your part-time helper, you'd probably just need basic trip documentation - date, destination, and business purpose (like "supply pickup" or "equipment delivery to Johnson job"). Since they're not using the vehicle for personal trips, you wouldn't need to worry about the personal use tracking and W-2 reporting that S-Corp owners deal with. Regarding the balance between thoroughness and practicality - several people here mentioned the "pattern documentation" approach for routine trips, which seems like a good middle ground. Document your regular supply runs and bank deposits as established patterns, then just log the dates. For non-routine trips, a quick note with client name and purpose should suffice. The voice-to-text suggestion from @6e07102cac3f sounds like it could work well during busy seasons since it takes literally seconds. I'm planning to start simple and build the habit first, then maybe add more detail as it becomes routine.
This thread has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's been putting off proper mileage documentation for my electrical business, reading through everyone's experiences has been a real wake-up call. What really resonates with me is the distinction between "prove business use" versus "prove personal use" that several people mentioned. I've been approaching this completely backwards, thinking that since my work truck is obviously a business vehicle, I only needed to account for the occasional personal trips. The practical solutions shared here - especially the voice-to-text logging and pattern documentation for routine trips - make this seem much more manageable than I initially thought. I was imagining having to write detailed descriptions for every single trip, but "supply run - Home Depot" or "service call - residential" seems sufficient based on the audit experiences shared. I'm planning to start with a simple smartphone app next week and focus on building the habit first. The 15-second voice logging approach sounds perfect for someone who's constantly moving between job sites with dirty hands. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences, especially those who went through audits. Sometimes you need to hear from people who've actually dealt with the IRS rather than just reading general tax advice online.
I'm in the exact same boat! Just started my own electrical contracting business last month and bought my first work van. I've been keeping basically no records beyond gas receipts, thinking that since it's obviously a work vehicle I didn't need to worry about detailed tracking. This whole discussion has been a huge reality check. The "prove business use" versus "prove personal use" distinction really clicked for me too. I was thinking about it completely wrong. I'm definitely going to start tracking from day one rather than trying to fix it later like some folks here had to do. The voice-to-text idea sounds perfect since I'm already used to using voice commands for other things while working. @5141cfe34e13 Thanks for summarizing everything so clearly! As a fellow electrician, it's helpful to hear from someone in the same trade who's taking this seriously from the start.
CosmicCommander
Another strategy to consider is the "grandparent loophole" if you have parents who might be willing to help. If grandparents gift money directly to the educational institution (not to you or your children), it doesn't count as reportable income for FAFSA purposes and won't affect future financial aid eligibility for your younger kids. Also, don't overlook state-specific education tax benefits. Some states offer tax deductions or credits for college expenses that can help offset the tax burden from IRA withdrawals. You might also want to check if any of your children's schools offer payment plans that could help spread the cash flow impact across multiple months rather than requiring large lump sums. One more consideration: if you do go the IRA withdrawal route, be strategic about timing. Making withdrawals in December versus January can affect which tax year the income hits, potentially helping you manage tax brackets more effectively across multiple years of college expenses.
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Logan Scott
ā¢These are excellent additional strategies to consider! The grandparent gift idea is particularly clever - I hadn't thought about the FAFSA implications of different funding sources. For someone with $3.2 million in retirement accounts, preserving financial aid eligibility for future years could be valuable even if you don't currently qualify. The timing aspect you mentioned about December vs January withdrawals is something I'm definitely going to research further. With three kids potentially overlapping in college, managing which tax years show the education-related income could make a significant difference in our overall tax burden. Do you happen to know if there are limits on how much grandparents can gift directly to educational institutions without triggering gift tax issues? And are there any restrictions on what types of expenses those direct payments can cover (tuition only vs room and board)?
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Elijah Brown
As someone who went through a similar situation with multiple kids in college, I'd strongly recommend exploring a combination approach rather than relying solely on IRA withdrawals. Here's what worked for us: First, definitely check those employer tuition benefits - many people miss these! Also look into whether your kids' schools offer sibling discounts or multi-year payment plans that can help with cash flow. For the IRA withdrawal strategy, consider this timing approach: withdraw just enough each year to stay within your current tax bracket, then supplement with other funding sources. This prevents pushing yourself into higher tax brackets on large withdrawals. One option you didn't mention is having your kids take federal student loans for part of the costs, then you can help pay them off after graduation when your income situation might be different. The interest rates on federal loans are often reasonable, and it preserves more of your retirement funds for longer growth. Also, document everything meticulously if you do withdraw from IRAs. The IRS can be very particular about what qualifies as educational expenses, and having detailed records from day one will save you headaches later. Keep receipts for everything - tuition, required fees, books, supplies, even required technology like laptops if the school specifies them as necessary. The key is flexibility - don't put all your eggs in one funding basket. Mix and match strategies based on what works best for your tax situation each year.
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Tyrone Johnson
ā¢This is really comprehensive advice! I'm particularly interested in your suggestion about staying within current tax brackets with IRA withdrawals. With our income already being high enough to disqualify us from most education credits, I hadn't fully considered how pushing into even higher brackets could compound the problem. The idea of having the kids take federal loans temporarily is intriguing too. Given that we have stable employment and substantial retirement savings, we could potentially pay off their loans quickly after graduation, which might preserve more of the tax-advantaged growth in our accounts during the critical college years. One question about the documentation - when you say "required technology like laptops," do you know if that extends to things like software subscriptions or online learning platforms that some courses require? With more hybrid learning, I'm seeing charges for various digital tools on the bills that I'm not sure would qualify for the education expense exemption.
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