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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping your LLC's investment activities clearly documented and separate from any personal trading you might do. Even though both end up on your personal Schedule D for a disregarded entity, you'll want to maintain clear records showing which transactions were made through the LLC versus any personal accounts. This becomes especially important if you have both LLC and personal investment accounts with the same brokerage. I'd recommend using separate brokerages if possible, or at minimum keeping very detailed records that clearly identify the source of each transaction. If you ever get audited, the IRS will want to see that you maintained proper separation between your business and personal activities, even though they're taxed the same way. Also, since you mentioned your accountant disappeared, you might want to consider finding a new CPA before next year's tax season starts. Having professional guidance becomes even more valuable as your LLC grows or if you start generating more complex investment income. The peace of mind is worth the cost, especially when dealing with business entity taxation rules that can change or have nuances you might miss filing on your own.
This is excellent advice about maintaining separation between LLC and personal investment activities! I learned this lesson when I had to reconstruct my records for an IRS inquiry a few years back. Even though everything ultimately flows to your personal return, the IRS still expects you to be able to clearly demonstrate which activities belonged to which "bucket." I'd also add that if you're planning to continue investing through your LLC, consider setting up a completely separate accounting system or at least dedicated spreadsheets to track the LLC's investment performance separately from any personal trading. This makes it much easier at tax time and provides the documentation trail you'd need if questions ever arise. Your point about finding a new CPA is spot-on too. While DIY tax software has gotten pretty good, having a professional who understands entity taxation can save you from costly mistakes and help with tax planning strategies you might not know about. The cost of a good accountant is usually far less than the potential penalties or missed opportunities from going it alone, especially as your business and investment activities become more complex.
One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on your LLC's operating agreement if you're doing significant investment activity. While the tax treatment for a disregarded entity is straightforward (everything flows to your personal return), you'll want to make sure your operating agreement properly addresses investment activities if that wasn't originally contemplated when you formed the LLC. Some operating agreements are written very narrowly and might not explicitly allow for investment activities beyond the LLC's primary business purpose. If you plan to continue trading through the LLC, it's worth having an attorney review your operating agreement to ensure it gives you the authority to engage in investment activities and that any liability protections you're seeking are properly structured. Also, depending on the volume and frequency of your trading, you might want to consider whether you need to register for any additional business licenses or comply with securities regulations in your state. Most casual investing doesn't trigger these requirements, but if you're doing substantial trading activity through a business entity, there could be additional compliance considerations beyond just the tax reporting we've been discussing. Better to address these structural issues now while your investment activity is relatively new rather than trying to fix them later if your trading becomes more substantial or complex!
This is a really important point that I hadn't considered! I just reviewed my LLC operating agreement after reading your comment and realized it only mentions my consulting business activities - nothing about investments or securities trading. Since I've been doing some stock trading through the LLC this year, I'm now wondering if I need to amend the operating agreement to explicitly allow investment activities. Do you know if there are any risks to having investment activities that aren't specifically covered in the operating agreement? Could this potentially affect the liability protection that the LLC is supposed to provide? I'm definitely going to look into having an attorney review this, but I'm curious if anyone else has dealt with this situation. It seems like something that could easily be overlooked when you're just focused on getting the tax reporting right.
As someone who went through this exact same confusion when I started my consulting business, I can confirm what others have said - your EIN IS your Tax ID number! They're literally the same thing with different names. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: make sure you keep that EIN confirmation letter in a safe place (and scan a copy to the cloud). You'll need it for opening business bank accounts, and some banks are really picky about having the official IRS letter rather than just the number written on a napkin. Also, since you mentioned you're a developer starting a startup, you might want to consider whether you'll need to collect sales tax in your state for any software or services you'll be selling. That would require a separate sales tax permit in most states, but you'd still use your EIN/Tax ID for the application process. The business admin stuff definitely gets easier once you get the basics sorted out. You're already ahead of the game by getting your EIN early!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! Thank you for the reassurance about the EIN being the Tax ID - I was starting to second-guess myself. And great point about keeping the confirmation letter safe. I actually just have it sitting in a pile of papers on my desk right now, so I'll definitely scan it and put the original somewhere secure. The sales tax question is really helpful too. I'm planning to offer both SaaS subscriptions and some consulting services, so I'll need to look into whether either of those requires sales tax collection in my state. This whole business setup process feels like drinking from a fire hose, but breaking it down into these specific steps makes it way more manageable. Thanks for the encouragement that it gets easier - as a developer, I'm used to complex systems, but business/legal stuff feels like learning a completely different programming language!
Great question! I went through this same confusion when setting up my small business last year. Yes, your EIN (Employer Identification Number) IS your Tax ID number - they're exactly the same thing, just different names for the same 9-digit identifier. You'll use this EIN/Tax ID for: - Filing your business tax returns - Opening business bank accounts - Any tax-related paperwork - If you hire employees down the road Since you mentioned you're a developer starting up, one additional tip: make sure to keep both a physical and digital copy of your EIN confirmation letter from the IRS. Banks often want to see the official letter when you open business accounts, not just the number itself. You're all set on the federal tax ID front! No need to apply for anything else from the IRS for tax identification purposes.
This is really helpful! I'm also just starting out with my first LLC and was wondering about the same thing. Quick follow-up question - when you say banks want to see the official EIN confirmation letter, is that the CP 575 notice that the IRS sends out? I applied for my EIN online and got it immediately, but I'm still waiting for something in the mail. Should I wait for that letter before trying to open a business bank account, or is there another way to prove I have a valid EIN?
I went through this exact same situation last year! The key thing to remember is that Box 1 includes ALL taxable compensation, not just your regular wages. One thing that might be throwing off your calculation is bonuses or commissions that were paid throughout the year but might not be clearly visible on the final pay stub's YTD totals. Some employers show these separately or include them in ways that aren't obvious. Also, if your wife had any stock options vest, received severance pay, or got any kind of settlement when she quit, those would all be included in Box 1 even if they weren't part of her regular paycheck cycle. Have you tried calling the employer's HR department directly? Sometimes they can at least tell you the Box 1 amount over the phone even if they haven't mailed the physical W2 yet. It's worth a shot while you're waiting!
This is such helpful advice! I didn't even think about bonuses or commissions potentially being included separately. Looking back at my wife's situation, she did get a small performance bonus in November that might not be clearly reflected in her December stub totals. We actually tried calling HR twice but they keep giving us the runaround - first they said they'd mail it "next week" (that was 3 weeks ago), then they claimed they needed to "verify some information" but won't tell us what. It's incredibly frustrating dealing with a company that clearly doesn't have their act together. At this point I'm leaning toward using one of the tools mentioned above to calculate it from her pay stub, or potentially filing that Form 4852 substitute if we can't get anywhere with the employer soon. Really appreciate everyone's input on this thread - much more helpful than the employer has been!
Just wanted to add another potential discrepancy source - employer-paid moving expenses! If your wife's company paid for any relocation costs during the year (even partial reimbursements), those are generally taxable income that gets added to Box 1. Also, keep in mind that some employers include the value of parking benefits or transit subsidies if they exceed the IRS monthly limits ($300/month for 2024). These fringe benefits often don't show up clearly on pay stubs but will be reflected in the final W2. Given how unresponsive this employer has been, I'd definitely recommend going the Form 4852 route if you can't get the actual W2 soon. The IRS is pretty understanding about substitute forms when employers are being difficult, and you can always file an amended return later if needed once you get the real W2.
This has been an excellent discussion with tons of practical insights! As someone who's been considering similar strategies for my own business, I want to add one more angle that might be helpful. Beyond all the tax and operational considerations mentioned, there's also the psychological aspect to consider. When your business investments are performing poorly, it can create emotional decision-making around your core operations. I've seen business owners hold onto bad investment positions longer than they should because "the business can afford the loss," or conversely, make overly conservative business decisions because their investment portfolio is down. Keeping your business focused purely on operational excellence - inventory management, product development, marketing optimization - keeps your decision-making clear and data-driven. When you're evaluating whether to launch a new product or scale PPC spend, you want those decisions based on business metrics, not influenced by whether your crypto holdings are up or down that week. The separation also makes it much easier to evaluate your true business performance. If your S-corp financials include investment gains/losses, it becomes harder to understand what's actually driving your Amazon FBA success and where you should focus your energy. Sometimes the best optimization is simplification. Focus on what you do best - growing your Amazon business - and let your personal investment strategy be a separate, well-planned activity funded by the profits from that success.
This psychological perspective is brilliant and something I hadn't considered at all! You're absolutely right that mixing investment performance with business decision-making could create really problematic emotional biases. I can already imagine how stressful it would be trying to decide whether to invest in new inventory while watching my S-corp's crypto holdings tank. Would I make the right business decision based on Amazon metrics, or would I be influenced by wanting to "preserve cash" because the investments are down? That kind of emotional interference could definitely hurt my core business performance. Your point about evaluating true business performance is huge too. If I'm trying to analyze my FBA profit margins, conversion rates, or ROAS, having investment gains/losses mixed into the financials would make it much harder to understand what marketing strategies or products are actually working. The "best optimization is simplification" line really resonates. I think I was getting caught up in trying to find some clever tax hack instead of focusing on what actually drives success in Amazon FBA - product research, inventory management, and marketing optimization. This whole thread has convinced me that keeping business and personal investments completely separate isn't just better from a tax/compliance perspective, but also from a business strategy and decision-making perspective. Thanks for adding that psychological angle - it's the perfect capstone to an already excellent discussion!
This entire discussion has been incredibly thorough and eye-opening! As a newcomer to S-corp taxation, I was initially drawn to the idea of having my business make investments directly, thinking there might be some tax advantage I was missing. After reading through everyone's real-world experiences, it's clear that the risks and complications far outweigh any potential benefits. The 25% passive income threshold for maintaining S-corp status is particularly concerning - I had no idea that limit was so restrictive or that violating it could eliminate the S-corp election entirely. The operational insights about Amazon FBA cash flow needs really hit home. The seasonal nature of the business and the need for liquid capital during scaling opportunities makes investment volatility especially problematic. Missing out on inventory purchases during competitor stockouts or Q4 ramp-up could easily cost more than any tax savings. I'm also grateful for the psychological perspective about keeping business decision-making separate from investment performance. That's not something you typically see discussed in tax planning articles, but it makes perfect sense. The consensus seems overwhelming: stick with reasonable salary + distributions for personal investing, and keep the S-corp focused on core business operations. Sometimes the straightforward approach really is the best approach, even when you're tempted to look for more complex "optimizations." Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise - this community is an amazing resource for navigating these complex decisions!
Welcome to the community! Your summary really captures the essence of what makes this such a valuable discussion. It's refreshing to see someone approach this decision with an open mind and actually absorb all the different perspectives shared here. The point about the 25% passive income threshold being so restrictive really is eye-opening - I think a lot of S-corp owners don't realize how easily you can accidentally jeopardize your election status by getting too creative with investments. The IRS doesn't mess around when it comes to maintaining that business purpose requirement. Your observation about the psychological separation is spot-on too. It's one of those "soft" factors that doesn't show up in tax calculations but can have huge impacts on business performance. Keeping your Amazon FBA decision-making pure and data-driven will serve you much better in the long run. One thing I'd add for new S-corp owners - make sure you're documenting your "reasonable salary" methodology clearly from the start. The IRS scrutinizes S-corp owner compensation heavily, and having a clear rationale (based on industry standards, hours worked, responsibilities, etc.) will help protect you if questions arise later. This becomes even more important if you're taking larger distributions to fund personal investments. Great decision to keep things simple and focus on growing your core business! That's where the real wealth-building happens anyway.
Nathan Dell
This is a really frustrating situation, but you're definitely not alone in dealing with this backup withholding issue. I went through something similar with TD Ameritrade a couple years ago when they suddenly started enforcing the W-9 certification requirements more strictly. The key thing to understand is that this 24% backup withholding is essentially the IRS holding your money as collateral until you can prove you've properly reported your income. It's not a penalty - it's more like an overpayment that you'll get back when you file your taxes. Here's what I'd recommend based on my experience: 1. **Fix the W-9 immediately** - Log into your Robinhood account and complete the tax certification process. This won't get your current money back, but it will prevent future withholding. 2. **Keep detailed records** - Screenshot everything showing the withholding amounts, save all emails from Robinhood about this, and keep copies of your W-9 submission. 3. **Wait for your 1099-B** - Robinhood will send you a 1099-B form early next year that shows both your trading activity and the backup withholding amount. This is what you'll use to claim the credit on your tax return. 4. **File your taxes promptly** - The sooner you file, the sooner you can get your refund if you're owed one. The reason different brokers handle this differently is that they have varying levels of automation and verification systems. Some are more proactive about getting your tax info certified upfront, while others (like Robinhood apparently) are more reactive and impose withholding when issues arise. I know it's frustrating to have that money tied up, but at least it's earning you a guaranteed credit on your taxes rather than sitting in a low-interest account somewhere.
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Kolton Murphy
ā¢This is really helpful, thanks for breaking it down so clearly! I'm curious about the "guaranteed credit" part you mentioned - does that mean the backup withholding acts like a refundable credit even if I don't owe any taxes? Like if my total tax liability for the year is less than what they withheld, I'd get the difference back as a refund? Also, when you say to file taxes promptly, is there any advantage to filing early versus waiting until closer to the deadline? I usually procrastinate on taxes but having $2k tied up is definitely motivating me to get organized earlier this year.
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Drew Hathaway
ā¢Yes, exactly! The backup withholding is treated as a refundable credit, which means if the amount withheld exceeds your actual tax liability, you'll get the difference back as a refund. So if they withheld $2,000 but you only owe $500 in taxes, you'd get $1,500 back. As for filing early - there's definitely an advantage when you're expecting a refund. The IRS typically processes returns and issues refunds within 21 days of acceptance during normal processing times. Filing in January or February usually means faster processing than waiting until March or April when they're swamped. Plus, you'll have your money back sooner rather than later. I'd also recommend using direct deposit for your refund rather than waiting for a paper check - it's faster and more secure. Most tax software makes this pretty easy to set up.
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NebulaNomad
I went through this exact same situation with Robinhood last year and it's incredibly frustrating! The backup withholding caught me completely off guard too since I'd never had issues with other brokers. What helped me was understanding that this is actually a pretty common issue when transferring between brokers. Each brokerage has their own system for verifying tax information, and sometimes things don't transfer over properly even if you had everything set up correctly at your previous broker. A few things that might help: **Immediate steps**: Log into your Robinhood account right now and look for their tax documents section. You'll need to complete a new W-9 form with them. Don't assume they have your info just because Schwab did - treat it like a completely fresh setup. **Documentation**: Take screenshots of everything showing the backup withholding amounts and save all communications about this issue. You'll want this paper trail when tax season comes. **Timeline expectations**: Unfortunately, there's no way around waiting until you file your 2025 taxes to get that money back. The IRS has already received it from Robinhood, so it's essentially an advance payment on your taxes. **Silver lining**: If you don't end up owing much in taxes, you'll likely get most or all of that $2k back as a refund. The backup withholding often ends up being more than people actually owe. The good news is that once you get the W-9 properly submitted and verified, this shouldn't happen again on future trades. Just make sure to confirm with Robinhood that they've processed it before making any more significant transactions. Hang in there - I know it's frustrating to have that money tied up, but you will get it back!
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Alicia Stern
ā¢This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with E*TRADE instead of Robinhood. They hit me with backup withholding on a stock sale last month and I had no idea this was even a thing. Your point about treating it like a "fresh setup" with each broker is really important - I think a lot of people (myself included) assume that tax information automatically carries over when you switch platforms. Now I know to proactively verify my W-9 status whenever I open a new brokerage account. One question though - when you say to take screenshots of the backup withholding amounts, where exactly do you find that information in your account? I'm trying to document everything but I'm not sure I'm capturing all the right details for when I need to file my taxes next year.
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