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doesn't anyone else think its crazy that we gotta jump through all these hoops for some tax savings?? i'm flipping houses in florida and just use an LLC, keep it simple. my buddy went S-corp and now he's spending like 5 hrs a month just on paperwork. not worth it imho unless ur making big $$$.

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It's definitely a pain, but if you're saving $10k+ in taxes, that's worth a few hours of paperwork each month. I've been doing the S-Corp thing for 3 years and honestly it's not that bad once you get systems in place. Most of my buddies in real estate who are making six figures with their flips all go S-Corp.

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Zara Ahmed

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who's been flipping properties for about 5 years now, I can confirm that the S-Corp election sweet spot is usually around $75k-100k+ in annual profit. Below that, the administrative burden often outweighs the tax savings. One thing I'd add is timing - if you're just starting out and not sure about your profit levels, you can always begin with a regular LLC and make the S-Corp election later when your business grows. Just remember the election deadline is March 15th (or within 75 days of forming your LLC if it's a new entity). Also, don't forget about state taxes! Some states don't recognize S-Corp elections or have additional fees/taxes for S-Corps. In my state (California), there's an additional $800 franchise tax for S-Corps regardless of income, which needs to be factored into your calculations. For those flipping 3-4 properties annually with $60k-75k profit per property like the OP, you're definitely in the range where S-Corp election could make sense, but I'd strongly recommend running the numbers with a tax professional first.

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Mia Roberts

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation to the OP - just getting started with flipping and trying to figure out the best approach. The timing aspect you mentioned is something I hadn't really considered. It's reassuring to know that I can start with a regular LLC and switch later once I have a better sense of my profit levels. One question - when you say "run the numbers with a tax professional," are you talking about a full consultation or just a quick review? I'm trying to balance getting proper advice with keeping my startup costs reasonable while I'm still figuring out if this business model will work for me long-term.

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Has anyone else noticed that some of the tax law examples in the 2025 VITA training materials still reference old tax law from before the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act updates? I found at least 3 examples that give incorrect information about personal exemptions which haven't been a thing since 2017...

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Dylan Wright

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You're absolutely right. The IRS is notoriously slow at updating all their training materials. When you come across outdated information, report it to your local VITA coordinator. We collect these errors and submit them to the IRS. In the meantime, always refer to Pub 4012 (the VITA/TCE Volunteer Resource Guide) for the most current guidance. They update that publication annually, while some of the training modules only get refreshed every few years.

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Ella Lewis

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I just went through the VITA registration process myself last week and wanted to share a few additional tips that helped me get through it smoothly: 1. If you're still having browser issues, try using an incognito/private browsing window. Sometimes cached data from old versions of the site can cause problems. 2. The IRS has actually set up a dedicated VITA registration help page at irs.gov/vita-help that wasn't mentioned in the original orientation materials. It has step-by-step screenshots of the current registration process. 3. For anyone planning to volunteer at multiple sites, make sure you register with your primary site coordinator first. I made the mistake of trying to register with two different sites simultaneously and it created a duplicate account issue that took days to resolve. The good news is that once you get past the registration hurdles, the actual training modules are really well designed and helpful. Good luck to everyone getting started with VITA this year - it's such a rewarding way to help your community!

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AaliyahAli

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Thank you for sharing these additional tips! The incognito browsing suggestion is really helpful - I never would have thought of that. I'm just starting my VITA volunteer journey and this whole thread has been incredibly valuable for navigating all these technical issues. Quick question about the multiple sites registration - if I want to volunteer at different locations throughout the tax season (maybe weekends at one site and evenings at another), should I mention that upfront to my primary coordinator? I don't want to create any conflicts or duplicate account problems like you experienced. Also, has anyone found the estimated time commitment for completing all the required training modules? I want to make sure I budget enough time to get through everything properly before the tax season really ramps up.

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Great question! I went through the exact same confusion when I started contract work. You're getting mixed info because tax software like TurboTax handles this automatically when you e-file - you don't physically mail anything to the IRS. Here's the breakdown of your 1099-NEC copies: - Copy B ("For Recipient"): This is for your personal records. Keep it safe but don't send it anywhere. - Copy 2 ("To be filed with recipient's state income tax return"): Only send this with your state return if your state specifically requires it. Many states now receive this info electronically. The reason you're seeing conflicting advice is that some older guides still reference paper filing requirements. When you e-file your federal return, the income from your 1099-NEC gets reported on Schedule C, and the IRS computer systems automatically match it against Copy A that your client already sent them. Pro tip: Since this is your first year as a contractor, make sure you're also prepared for self-employment tax (Schedule SE) - that was the biggest surprise for me! It's an additional 15.3% on top of regular income tax that catches a lot of new contractors off guard.

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This is such a clear explanation, thank you! I've been stressing about this for weeks. One quick follow-up - you mentioned that TurboTax handles this automatically when e-filing. Does that mean I just enter the 1099-NEC information into the software and it takes care of putting it on Schedule C for me? I'm worried about making a mistake since this is all so new to me.

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Ethan Wilson

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Exactly! TurboTax will walk you through entering your 1099-NEC information step by step, and it automatically populates Schedule C for you. When you get to the self-employment income section, it'll ask you to enter the payer information and the amount from Box 1 of your 1099-NEC. The software handles all the form placement and calculations. Just make sure you enter the information exactly as it appears on your 1099-NEC form - don't round numbers or "correct" what you think might be errors. If there's a discrepancy between your records and the 1099, report what's on the form to avoid IRS matching issues, then contact your client separately about any corrections needed. The software will also prompt you about business expenses and guide you through the self-employment tax calculation. Take your time with the expense section - those deductions can really help offset the additional tax burden from contract work!

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I just went through this exact same situation! As a new contractor, I was so confused about which 1099-NEC copies to send where. After doing some research and calling the IRS (which took forever), I can confirm what others have said - you absolutely do NOT need to send any physical copies of your 1099-NEC to the IRS with your federal return. Here's what I learned: Your client already sent Copy A directly to the IRS, so they have the information. Copy B is for your records, and Copy 2 is potentially for your state return (though most states get this electronically now too). When you e-file your federal return, you just enter the income amount on Schedule C and the system matches it automatically. One thing that really helped me was creating a simple filing system for all my tax documents. I keep Copy B with my other tax records in a dedicated folder, and I scan everything to have digital backups. Since we're both new to this contractor life, I'd also recommend starting to track your business expenses right away - every mile driven for work, any equipment purchases, portion of home internet/phone bills used for business, etc. These deductions on Schedule C can really help offset that self-employment tax hit! Don't stress too much - TurboTax will guide you through the whole process and it's more straightforward than it initially seems.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! As another newcomer to contract work, it's really reassuring to hear from someone who just went through this. I love your idea about creating a filing system - I've been keeping all my tax documents in a messy pile which is definitely not sustainable long-term. Quick question about tracking business expenses - do you use any specific app or software to keep track of mileage and expenses, or do you just keep manual records? I'm worried about forgetting to log things or losing receipts. Also, when you mention "portion of home internet/phone bills" - how do you calculate what percentage is business use? Is there a standard method the IRS expects?

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Do Small HOAs Need to File Tax Returns? Advice for Homeowners Associations Filing Requirements

I'm part of a small HOA board and we've never filed taxes before. We're pretty tiny with only about $19,000 in annual income, all from member dues. Almost everything goes toward common area maintenance (landscaping, insurance, utilities). We have some basic admin expenses like supplies for billing members, stamps, and bank fees. We thought we might qualify for Form 1120-H but realized we don't meet the 90% expenditure requirement for property maintenance in some years (we hit closer to 80% some years). So we hired this accountant who convinced us to apply for 501(c)(3) status instead. We've already paid him $2,600 and now he wants another $600 to handle some IRS follow-up questions. I'm getting suspicious that he might be milking us for fees since this process is dragging on. The weird thing is, I can't find any examples of HOAs with 501(c)(3) status online. I'm starting to think we got bad advice from the beginning. I've done some research and it looks like HOAs typically file for 501(c)(4) status using Form 1024-A, but it's a complicated form with a $600 filing fee. I don't want to mess it up and waste more money. Questions: 1. Can we go back and file taxes for previous years using 1120-H for years we qualify? 2. For years we don't qualify for 1120-H, can we wait until we get 501(c)(4) approval and then file Form 990? 3. Is it even possible for an HOA to get 501(c)(3) status or has our accountant been giving us incorrect guidance?

Has anyone here actually succeeded in getting 501(c)(4) status for a small HOA? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort or if Form 1120-H is really the best option for most situations.

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In my experience, Form 1120-H is almost always the better option for small HOAs. While it's technically possible to get 501(c)(4) status, the application process is expensive, time-consuming, and the benefits rarely outweigh the costs for small associations. The main advantage of 1120-H is simplicity. You're effectively only taxed on non-membership income (like interest earned or income from renting common facilities to non-members). Plus, there's no need for ongoing compliance filings beyond annual tax returns.

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Thanks for the insight! That makes sense. We'll focus on properly categorizing our expenses to meet the 90% test for 1120-H rather than pursuing exempt status. Seems much more straightforward.

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I've been following this thread and wanted to share some additional perspective as someone who went through a similar situation with our 75-unit HOA. First, regarding your accountant pushing for 501(c)(3) status - this is a major red flag. HOAs are NOT charitable organizations and the IRS has consistently rejected these applications. Your accountant should absolutely know this, and continuing to charge you for an application that's almost guaranteed to fail borders on professional negligence. For your specific questions: 1. Yes, you can absolutely file back returns using Form 1120-H for qualifying years. The IRS allows this and it's often the cleanest way to get compliant. 2. For non-qualifying years, you'll need to file Form 1120 (regular corporate return), not wait for 501(c)(4) approval. The IRS expects timely filings regardless of your exempt status application. 3. As others have confirmed, 501(c)(3) is inappropriate for HOAs. If you want exempt status, 501(c)(4) is the correct path, but honestly, for a small HOA like yours, Form 1120-H is usually simpler and more cost-effective. My recommendation: Stop the 501(c)(3) process immediately, demand a partial refund from your accountant (emphasize the inappropriate advice), and find someone with actual HOA tax experience to help you file the correct forms for previous years. The Community Associations Institute has a directory of HOA-experienced CPAs that might be helpful. Don't let this accountant cost you any more money on a dead-end strategy.

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Yara Sayegh

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This is exactly the kind of clear, actionable advice I was hoping to find! Thank you for breaking down the steps so clearly. I'm definitely going to demand a partial refund from our accountant - the fact that he didn't know 501(c)(3) was inappropriate for HOAs is concerning. One quick question: when you mention filing Form 1120 for non-qualifying years, is there typically much tax liability for small HOAs? We're worried about owing significant back taxes if we file corporate returns instead of the simpler 1120-H. Also, I'll definitely check out that Community Associations Institute directory. Having someone who actually understands HOA taxation seems crucial at this point.

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Don't overthink this! I run a single-member LLC and tried fancy software but it was overkill. I just use a Google Sheet with tabs for income, expenses, mileage, etc. For receipts I take pics with my phone and save them to a Google Drive folder. As long as u have a separate business account like others mentioned, and keep good records of everything, you're fine. The IRS mostly wants to see that you're tracking things consistently and have documentation to back up yr deductions. When you make more money or get more clients, then upgrade to QuickBooks or whatever. Starting simple helped me actually stick with it!

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Jamal Brown

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This is actually terrible advice. The IRS absolutely cares about proper bookkeeping for an LLC. Using a spreadsheet might work for a hobby but not a legitimate business entity. You're setting OP up for potential audit issues down the road.

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CyberSiren

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As someone who's been through several IRS audits with my LLC, I have to respectfully disagree with the spreadsheet approach. While it might seem simple, the IRS expects professional bookkeeping practices for business entities, even single-member LLCs. I learned this the hard way during my first audit - they questioned my "informal" record-keeping system and it created unnecessary complications. Now I use FreshBooks (similar to QuickBooks but more user-friendly) and it's been worth every penny for the peace of mind. The key things the IRS really focuses on during LLC audits are: 1) Clear separation of business/personal expenses, 2) Proper categorization of deductions, 3) Complete documentation trail, and 4) Consistent accounting methods. Professional accounting software automatically creates this audit trail, while manual spreadsheets leave gaps that auditors love to exploit. For someone specifically worried about IRS issues like OP, investing in proper software from day one is crucial. Better to spend $15-30/month on software than thousands later on audit defense!

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This is really helpful perspective from someone who's actually been audited! I'm definitely leaning toward proper accounting software now rather than trying to wing it with spreadsheets. Between QuickBooks and FreshBooks, which would you recommend for someone who's completely new to business accounting? Also, when you mentioned "consistent accounting methods" - does that mean I need to pick cash vs accrual accounting from the start and stick with it?

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