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Just wanted to add something that might help other creators reading this - don't forget about quarterly estimated taxes! Since Patreon and other platforms don't withhold taxes like a regular employer would, you're responsible for paying estimated taxes throughout the year if you expect to owe $1,000 or more. I learned this the hard way my second year when my channel grew and I suddenly owed a big chunk at tax time plus underpayment penalties. Now I set aside about 25-30% of my creator income in a separate savings account and pay quarterly estimates. It makes tax season much less stressful! The IRS has a safe harbor rule where if you pay at least 100% of last year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k), you won't owe penalties even if you end up owing more at filing time. This gives you some flexibility as your creator income fluctuates.
This is such great advice! I wish I had known about the quarterly payments earlier. Quick question - when you say set aside 25-30%, is that of gross income or after business expenses? I'm trying to figure out how much I should be saving from each Patreon payment. Also, do you use any particular method to calculate the quarterly estimates or just go with the safe harbor rule you mentioned?
Great question! I set aside 25-30% of my net income (after business expenses), not gross. So if I make $1000 from Patreon but have $200 in legitimate business expenses that month, I'd set aside about 25-30% of the remaining $800. For quarterly estimates, I actually use a hybrid approach. For my first year I used the safe harbor rule since it was simpler - I just made sure my total withholding plus estimated payments equaled 100% of my prior year's tax. But now that I have a better sense of my income patterns, I use Form 1040-ES to calculate more precise estimates based on my projected annual income. The IRS website has a pretty decent estimated tax calculator that can help you figure out what to pay each quarter. I usually run it twice a year (after Q2 and Q3) to adjust if my income is significantly different than projected. It's a bit more work but saves me from overpaying early in the year when my creator income was still growing.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my podcast Patreon - made about $900 last year and was wondering the same thing about reporting requirements. One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my accountant: even though you need to report all income regardless of amount, there's actually a threshold for when you need to file Schedule SE (self-employment tax). If your net profit from self-employment is less than $400, you don't have to pay self-employment tax on it, though you still report the income on Schedule C. So for someone like you who made $1,350, if your business expenses bring your net profit below $400, you'd still report the income but wouldn't owe the additional 15.3% self-employment tax. That could be significant savings! Definitely worth tracking those software subscriptions and equipment purchases you mentioned.
This is really good to know about the $400 threshold for self-employment tax! I'm just getting started with content creation myself and wasn't aware of this distinction. So if I understand correctly, you still have to report ALL the income on Schedule C regardless of amount, but the SE tax only kicks in if your net profit hits $400? That makes me feel a bit better about tracking every small expense - even things like my internet bill portion that I use for streaming, or the cost of stock music for videos. Do you happen to know if there are any other thresholds like this that new creators should be aware of? I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row before I start earning anything substantial.
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure your margin interest is actually for investment purposes! If you've used margin for personal expenses (even temporarily), that portion of the interest isn't deductible. Also, keep in mind that if your investment generates tax-exempt income (like municipal bonds), you can't deduct the margin interest associated with those investments. The IRS has allocation rules if you have both taxable and tax-exempt investment income.
How would the IRS even know if I used margin for personal expenses? Isn't all margin in a brokerage account automatically considered "for investment purposes"? My broker doesn't track what I do with money after I withdraw it.
The IRS doesn't automatically know, but if you get audited, they can ask for documentation. While it's true your broker doesn't track what you do with withdrawals, the IRS can question large withdrawals that coincide with personal purchases. The tax code specifically states that investment interest must be for carrying investments that produce taxable income. If you withdraw $10k of margin and buy a car the same day, that would be pretty clear evidence of personal use. Many people don't realize this distinction and incorrectly deduct 100% of their margin interest when some portion was actually used for personal purposes.
Make sure you keep really good records! I got audited specifically on my investment interest expense deduction last year because I had a large amount ($47k) compared to my portfolio size. Had to provide statements showing all my margin positions and trading activity. The IRS was particularly interested in the connection between my margin use and investment activities. They wanted to confirm I wasn't deducting interest for leverage used for personal expenses.
What kind of documentation did they ask for specifically? I'm in a similar situation with high margin use relative to my account size and want to make sure I'm prepared if I get audited.
They asked for monthly brokerage statements showing my margin balances, a detailed list of all securities purchased with margin funds, and bank statements to verify I didn't withdraw cash for personal use. They also wanted my trading journal (which thankfully I kept) showing the investment purpose of each margin-funded position. The key was proving the margin was used exclusively for investment activities that could generate taxable income. I'd recommend keeping a separate log that documents the investment rationale for any margin positions you take.
Three weeks is definitely way too long! I had a similar situation earlier this year - my SBTPG check was supposed to arrive in 7-10 business days but took almost a month. Turns out it got stuck at a distribution center due to staffing issues. You should definitely call them at 800-901-6663 ASAP. Have your SSN, exact refund amount, and filing info ready because they'll need to verify everything before they can help you. Ask them to put a trace on the check - they can tell you if it was delivered somewhere, returned to them, or lost in transit. Also double-check that the address they have matches your tax return exactly. I mean EXACTLY - down to apartment numbers, street abbreviations, everything. Even tiny differences can cause major delivery problems. The frustrating part is if it's actually lost, they make you wait 30 days from when it was originally mailed before they'll cancel and reissue. But don't wait any longer to start the process - better to get that clock ticking now rather than wonder for another week. I know it's super stressful when your refund seems to disappear, but hang in there! In most cases these do get resolved, it just takes longer than anyone wants. Good luck!
This is super helpful, thank you! I've been getting more anxious each day that passes. Distribution center delays make a lot of sense given all the postal service issues lately. I'm definitely calling tomorrow with all my verification info ready. It's reassuring to know that even when checks get stuck for weeks, they usually do eventually get resolved. The 30-day wait period sounds terrible but at least there's a clear process. Really appreciate you sharing your experience - makes me feel less alone in dealing with this mess!
Three weeks is definitely too long for a SBTPG check - I'd be calling them right now if I were you! Normal delivery time is usually 7-10 business days, so you're well past that. I went through something similar last year where my check took forever to arrive. When I finally called their customer service at 800-901-6663, it turned out there was an issue with my address (they had my apartment number wrong by one digit). Make sure you have your SSN, exact refund amount, and filing info ready when you call - they'll need all of that to verify your identity before they can tell you anything. Ask them to do a check trace to see exactly what happened - whether it was delivered, returned, or lost somewhere in the mail system. The frustrating part is if it's truly lost, they make you wait 30 days from the original mail date before they'll cancel and reissue a new one. But don't wait any longer to start that process - better to get the ball rolling now. Also double-check that your mailing address matches your tax return exactly. Even small differences can cause major delivery problems. Hope you get it sorted out soon!
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a very similar situation - been waiting almost 3 weeks for my SBTPG check and starting to panic. The apartment number mix-up you mentioned is exactly the kind of thing I'm worried about. I triple-checked my address when I filed but you never know if something got entered wrong on their end. I'm definitely calling them tomorrow morning with all my verification info ready. It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing and got it resolved, even if it took longer than expected. Thanks for laying out exactly what to expect when calling - really helps to know what questions to ask!
This is really helpful info! I'm in a similar boat with a PayPal 1099-K from sports betting. One thing I'm still confused about - if I had sessions where I won on some days and lost on others, do I need to report each winning session separately, or can I just report my total net winnings for the year? For example, let's say I had 10 betting sessions: won $500 in 4 sessions (total $2,000 in winnings) but lost $300 in 6 sessions (total $1,800 in losses). My net profit was $200. Do I report $2,000 as gambling winnings on Schedule 1 and then claim $200 worth of losses on Schedule A? Or do I just report the $200 net as gambling income? I've been going back and forth on this and want to make sure I handle it correctly with the PayPal 1099-K showing my total withdrawals.
You need to report the full $2,000 in winnings on Schedule 1, Line 8z as gambling income - not just the net $200. Then if you itemize deductions, you can claim up to $200 in gambling losses on Schedule A (limited to your actual winnings amount). The IRS wants to see your gross winnings reported as income, and losses are treated as a separate itemized deduction. You can't just net them together upfront. This is important because your PayPal 1099-K likely shows gross payment activity, so reporting your full winnings helps explain the discrepancy between the 1099-K amount and your actual profit. Keep detailed records of both your winning and losing sessions in case the IRS has questions about how you calculated these amounts from your PayPal transactions.
Great question about the PayPal 1099-K situation! I dealt with something similar last year and wanted to share what I learned from my tax preparer. The key thing to understand is that the PayPal 1099-K is just a third-party payment processor reporting form - it's not actually determining your taxable income. PayPal has to send this form when they process over $600 in payments for you, but it doesn't mean that entire amount is taxable income. For your situation, you're absolutely correct about reporting the $8,200 in actual gambling winnings on Schedule 1, Line 8z. The fact that PayPal's 1099-K shows $12,200 doesn't change this - that's just the gross amount they processed in withdrawals. One tip that really helped me: create a simple spreadsheet showing your deposits, withdrawals, and net winnings by month. This makes it easy to reconcile your actual gambling income with what PayPal reported. If the IRS ever questions the difference between your reported income and the 1099-K amount, you'll have clear documentation showing that the 1099-K includes return of your original stake, not just winnings. Also double-check that you didn't receive any W-2G forms from DraftKings directly for individual large wins (usually $600+ and 300x your bet). Those would need to be reported separately from your Schedule 1 reporting.
This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was looking for! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I've been trying to piece together my records from screenshots and bank statements, but organizing it by month with deposits/withdrawals/net would make everything so much clearer. Quick question about the W-2G forms - I don't think I got any from DraftKings, but how do I know for sure? Would they have been mailed to me by now, or do I need to check my account on their platform? I had a few bigger wins but I'm not sure if any hit that $600+ threshold you mentioned.
Gianna Scott
As someone who's been dealing with both US and international tax compliance for years, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help other expats: 1. **Keep detailed records**: For Form 8938, you'll need to track not just year-end values but also the highest balance during the year. I recommend taking screenshots of your account balances monthly, especially for accounts that fluctuate significantly. 2. **Currency conversion timing matters**: Use the Treasury's published exchange rates for the specific dates you're reporting. Don't just use average rates or whatever Google shows you - the IRS expects you to use their official rates. 3. **Australian superannuation complexity**: While your super is technically reportable on Form 8938, there are ongoing debates about whether it should also be reported on Forms 3520/3520-A as a foreign trust. The IRS hasn't provided clear guidance, so many practitioners take a conservative approach and report it on multiple forms. 4. **P2P lending platforms**: These can be tricky. If you're lending directly to individuals, it's likely "other financial assets." If the platform pools funds and you own units/shares in a fund, it's probably custodial. Check your statements to see exactly what you own. Remember that Form 8938 and FBAR have different thresholds and requirements, so you might need to file one but not the other depending on your account values.
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Michael Adams
ā¢This is incredibly thorough - thank you! The point about taking monthly screenshots is brilliant and something I wish I'd thought of earlier. I've been scrambling to reconstruct my account values from old statements. Quick question about the Treasury exchange rates - do you use the rates from treasury.gov or is there a specific page/section I should be looking at? I want to make sure I'm using the right source since you mentioned the IRS expects their official rates specifically. Also, regarding the superannuation reporting on multiple forms - have you seen any recent guidance or updates on this? It seems like such a gray area and I'm trying to decide whether to take the conservative approach or just stick with Form 8938 reporting only.
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Alice Pierce
ā¢For Treasury exchange rates, you want to use the "Exchange Rates" page on treasury.gov - specifically look for the "Treasury Reporting Rates of Exchange" section. These are the official rates the IRS expects for tax reporting purposes. They're published quarterly and you use the rate that was in effect for the specific date you're reporting. Regarding superannuation and the multiple forms issue - there hasn't been any major clarification from the IRS recently, which is frustrating. I've been following various tax practitioner discussions and the consensus seems to be leaning toward reporting on Form 8938 only, especially given that the US-Australia tax treaty has specific provisions for retirement accounts. However, some ultra-conservative practitioners still recommend the multiple forms approach. My personal take (not professional advice!) is that if you're clearly within the treaty protection for superannuation and you're reporting it transparently on Form 8938, that should be sufficient. The IRS seems more concerned about undisclosed accounts than the specific form used for disclosure. But definitely consider consulting with a practitioner who specializes in US-Australia tax issues if your super balance is substantial. The monthly screenshot tip has saved me so much headache - I even set a phone reminder to do it on the same day each month!
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Zainab Mahmoud
Just went through this exact situation last year as a fellow Aussie expat! Your regular bank accounts (CommBank savings, etc.) are definitely deposit accounts - pretty straightforward there. For your trading platform shares, that's a custodial account since the platform holds the securities on your behalf. Your superannuation is also custodial, though as others mentioned, there might be treaty protections to consider. The P2P lending is the tricky one - it really depends on the platform structure. If it's something like RateSetter or SocietyOne where you're essentially buying loan parts directly, that's usually "other financial assets." If it's more like a managed fund where you own units, then custodial. One thing I learned the hard way: make sure you're converting to USD using the Treasury rates for the actual dates, not just year-end rates for everything. Also, keep really good records of your highest balances during the year - I had to go back through 12 months of statements to find peak values. The good news is once you get the hang of the classifications, subsequent years are much easier. And don't forget about FBAR filing if your combined account values hit $10K+ at any point!
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢This is super helpful, especially the clarification about P2P lending platforms! I think mine is more like the RateSetter model where I'm buying loan parts directly, so "other financial assets" sounds right. Quick question about the Treasury rates - when you say "actual dates," do you mean I need to find the specific date during the year when each account hit its maximum value, then use the Treasury rate from that exact date? Or can I use the rate from the end of that month/quarter? I'm worried about having to track down rates for random dates throughout the year. Also, did you end up having any issues with your superannuation reporting? I'm seeing conflicting advice about whether to include it on Form 8938 at all given the treaty provisions, versus reporting it but noting the treaty protection.
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