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GalacticGuru

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm a new caregiver for my elderly father and just started receiving Medicaid waiver payments last month. I had no idea about Notice 2014-7 or how it affects the EIC calculation. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the key is being very explicit about what you're doing and why when you file. I'm planning to use the Form 8275 approach that Ravi mentioned, along with including that IRS FAQ reference from Freya. One question though - for those who successfully got this resolved, did you have to provide any specific documentation from the state Medicaid office, or were your regular payment statements sufficient? I want to make sure I have everything I need before I file to avoid the headache you all went through.

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Sofia Hernandez

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Welcome to the caregiver community! From my experience, the regular payment statements from the state should be sufficient as long as they clearly show the payments are for Medicaid waiver services. I'd recommend keeping copies of any documentation that shows you're providing care under a state Medicaid waiver program - sometimes this includes your care plan or service authorization letters. The key is making sure the payments are clearly identified as qualified Medicaid waiver payments under Notice 2014-7. If your payment statements don't explicitly mention this, you might want to get a letter from your case worker or the state office confirming that these are indeed Medicaid waiver payments for home and community-based services. Better to have too much documentation than not enough when dealing with the IRS!

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Dylan Mitchell

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I've been dealing with this exact issue for two years now as a caregiver for my mom under our state's Medicaid waiver program. What I've learned is that you really need to be proactive about documentation from the start. Here's what has worked consistently for me: I always file with Form 8275 attached, clearly stating that I'm applying Notice 2014-7 to exclude the payments from gross income while including them for EIC calculation. I also include a cover letter that references both Notice 2014-7 AND the IRS FAQ that Freya mentioned - having both citations seems to help. The most important thing I learned is to keep detailed records of ALL your Medicaid waiver documentation - not just the payment statements. I keep copies of my initial eligibility determination, care plan updates, and any correspondence with the state office. When the IRS sees this comprehensive documentation, they seem to process it correctly without the automated system flagging it. Also, if you do get an adjustment notice like Paolo did, respond immediately with all your documentation. Don't wait - the longer you wait, the more complicated it gets to resolve. The IRS agents I've spoken with say these cases are much easier to fix when people respond quickly with proper documentation.

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Ethan Clark

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This is incredibly helpful advice, Dylan! I'm just starting out as a caregiver and trying to get ahead of any potential issues. When you mention keeping copies of the initial eligibility determination and care plan updates, are these documents you request specifically from your state Medicaid office, or do they automatically provide them to you? I want to make sure I'm collecting the right paperwork from the beginning rather than scrambling to get it later if the IRS has questions. Also, do you typically file early in the tax season or wait until closer to the deadline? I'm wondering if timing makes any difference in how the automated systems process these returns.

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OPM Survivor 1099-R with UNKNOWN in Boxes 2a/9b - How to handle this on taxes?

I'm in a really confusing situation with my mom's survivor benefits from OPM. My father passed away last year (2024) and things were straightforward with his final 1099-R from the Office of Personnel Management - it had actual numbers in boxes 2a and 9b. The problem started when my mom began receiving survivor benefits mid-2024. Her 1099-R from OPM now shows "UNKNOWN" in boxes 2a and 9b instead of dollar amounts. I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to report this correctly! When I use TurboTax, it automatically sets box 2a equal to whatever is in box 1 (the gross distribution amount), which would make the entire amount taxable. But that doesn't seem right for survivor benefits. I checked the OPM website and it vaguely mentions that if these boxes show "UNKNOWN," then the distribution is "more than likely non-taxable" - but that's not very reassuring! I'm especially confused since this is specifically a transition from a regular federal retirement 1099-R to a survivor 1099-R. I have both my dad's final 1099-R (with actual numbers) and my mom's new survivor 1099-R (with the "UNKNOWN" entries). The worst part is, I just realized we completely forgot to file the 2024 survivor 1099-R on my mom's taxes, so I'll need to file an amended return once I figure this out. Has anyone dealt with OPM survivor benefits and these "UNKNOWN" entries before? How do you determine what's taxable vs. non-taxable from year to year?

Andre Lefebvre

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I'm also dealing with OPM survivor benefits and those frustrating "UNKNOWN" boxes! My husband was a federal employee for 25 years before he passed last year, and I've been struggling with this tax issue ever since. What I've learned through this painful process is that you absolutely need to use the Simplified Method worksheet - don't let any tax preparer tell you the whole amount is taxable! I made that mistake initially and overpaid by thousands. The key steps are: 1) Find your deceased spouse's total contributions in box 5 of their final 1099-R, 2) Look up your age-based life expectancy factor in the IRS Simplified Method table, 3) Divide the contributions by expected payments to get your monthly non-taxable amount. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier - CREATE A SPREADSHEET immediately to track your annual recovery of the contribution basis. I'm now on year 2 and so glad I started tracking from the beginning. Once you've recovered all the original contributions tax-free, every payment after that becomes fully taxable. The IRS Publication 721 mentioned by others is really helpful, and don't be afraid to file an amended return if you reported everything as taxable initially. It's worth the paperwork to get back what you overpaid!

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Ava Thompson

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This is such valuable advice! I'm also new to dealing with survivor benefits and had no idea about the importance of tracking the contribution basis recovery. One question - when you mention creating a spreadsheet, what specific information should I be tracking each year? Just the non-taxable amount recovered, or are there other details I should document to make future tax seasons easier? Also, did you run into any issues when filing the amended return for the overpayment? I'm nervous about triggering an audit or having the IRS question the Simplified Method calculations.

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Paolo Ricci

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I just went through this exact situation with my late husband's federal retirement benefits and can share what worked for us. The "UNKNOWN" designation is frustrating, but there's a clear process to handle it correctly. First, don't panic about the amended return - it's very common with OMP survivor benefits and the IRS is used to these corrections. You'll need Form 1040X and should attach a copy of your Simplified Method worksheet calculations. For the spreadsheet tracking that others mentioned, I track: 1) Annual gross distribution (box 1 from 1099-R), 2) Non-taxable portion calculated using Simplified Method, 3) Taxable portion reported on tax return, 4) Running total of contribution basis recovered, and 5) Remaining contribution basis left to recover. The most important thing is getting that initial calculation right. Your mom's non-taxable amount each year will be: (Your dad's total contributions from box 5 of his final 1099-R) รท (Expected number of monthly payments based on your mom's age when she started receiving benefits). Once you have that monthly non-taxable amount, multiply by 12 for the annual figure, and subtract that from her total annual distribution to get the taxable portion for line 5b of Form 1040. Keep all your worksheets and calculations - the IRS may want to see your work if they have questions, but in my experience they're very familiar with OMP survivor benefit corrections.

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Skylar Neal

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm also dealing with this situation after my father passed away last year. Your spreadsheet tracking system sounds exactly like what I need to set up. One quick question about the calculation - when you mention "Expected number of monthly payments based on your mom's age when she started receiving benefits," do you use her age when the survivor benefits actually began, or her age as of the tax year? My mom was 66 when she started receiving benefits in June 2024, but turned 67 before the end of the year. Also, has anyone found a good template or example of the tracking spreadsheet? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything correctly from the start to avoid headaches down the road.

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I'm dealing with the same frustrating situation! It's now late February and still no SSA-1099 in our mailbox either. What's really annoying is that the SSA website keeps timing out every time I try to log in - it's like their servers can't handle the load during tax season. I did try the early morning login trick that someone mentioned (around 5am), and while the site loaded faster, I'm still having issues with the identity verification process. It keeps asking for information that doesn't seem to match what they have on file. At this point I'm wondering if I should just use my bank statements to calculate the Social Security income we received. We had direct deposit for both payments, so I have the exact amounts and dates. Has anyone actually filed their taxes this way without the official form? I'm worried about getting flagged by the IRS, but I also don't want to delay filing much longer. The whole system seems broken when you can't get the documents you need to file your taxes on time!

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Liam O'Sullivan

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I totally understand your frustration - I've been dealing with the exact same issues! The identity verification on the SSA site is particularly maddening. I kept getting stuck on questions about previous addresses or credit history that didn't match what I expected them to have. Based on what the tax professional mentioned earlier in this thread, you absolutely can file using your bank statements if you have the exact amounts and dates. The IRS allows this as long as your reported numbers match what the SSA eventually reports to them. Since you have direct deposit records, you actually have more reliable documentation than many people who are just guessing at amounts. I'd suggest double-checking your bank statements to make sure you're including the exact gross amounts (before any Medicare premiums or other deductions). The key is accuracy - if your numbers match what SSA has, you won't have any issues with the IRS. Don't let their broken website delay your filing when you have the information you need!

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Vince Eh

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I'm going through the exact same nightmare! It's now well into February and still no SSA-1099 in sight. Like others have mentioned, the mySocialSecurity website is absolutely useless - constant timeouts and errors no matter what time of day I try. What's really frustrating is that this is such a critical tax document, yet the SSA seems completely unprepared to handle the volume of people trying to access it online when the mail system fails. I've been a taxpayer for decades and never had this much trouble getting a basic tax form. I'm seriously considering using my bank statements at this point since I have the exact deposit amounts from my two Social Security payments last year. Reading through this thread, it sounds like several people have had success reporting the income directly from their bank records. The tax professional's advice about accuracy being the key factor is reassuring. Has anyone who filed using bank statements instead of the official SSA-1099 heard anything back from the IRS yet? I just want to make sure there aren't any red flags or delays in processing when you don't attach the actual form.

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Aurora Lacasse

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I'm in exactly the same boat as you! Filed my taxes three weeks ago using my bank statement amounts instead of waiting for the SSA-1099 that still hasn't arrived. So far, so good - my return was accepted and processed normally by the IRS with no flags or delays. I was really nervous about it at first, but after reading all the advice in this thread about accuracy being the key, I double and triple-checked my Social Security deposit amounts against my bank records. Made sure I was reporting the gross amounts before any deductions. The IRS e-file system accepted my return immediately, and I even got my refund already. No additional questions or correspondence about the missing SSA-1099. It really does seem like as long as your reported amounts match what the SSA told the IRS you received, there's no issue. Don't let their broken mail system and website hold up your filing - if you have accurate bank records, you're good to go!

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CP0005 Notice & 570 Code: $9,350 EIC Refund Pending 9 Weeks After ID Verification

Filed my taxes and got verified about 2 weeks ago. Just checked my transcript and there's a cp0005 code that wasn't there before. My refund amount is showing -$10,350.00 with $0.00 in accrued interest and $0.00 in accrued penalties as of 09-30-2024. When I look at my transcript it clearly states: "Any minus sign shown below signifies a credit amount Account balance: -$10,350.00 Accrued interest: $0.00 As of: 09-30-2024 Accrued penalty: $0.00 As of: 09-30-2024 Account balance plus accruals (this is not a payoff amount): -$10,350.00" I filed as Head of Household with an adjusted gross income of $33,740.00 and taxable income of $12,940.00. The transcript shows: "Exemptions: 03 Information from the return or as adjusted Filing status: Head of Household Adjusted gross income: $33,740.00 Taxable income: $12,940.00 Tax per return: $0.00 SE taxable income taxpayer: $0.00 Total self employment tax: $0.00" Looking at the transactions, I see credits including -$3,707.00 and an earned income credit of -$5,042.00 dated 04-16-2024. There's also a code 570 showing "Additional account action pending" and a 971 "Notice issued" dated 04-23-2024 with the CP0005 code. The full transactions section shows: "TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION CYCLE DATE AMOUNT No tax return filed 766 Credit to your account 04-16-2024 -$3,707.00 768 Earned income credit 04-16-2024 -$5,042.00 570 Additional account action pending 04-16-2024 $0.00 971 Notice issued 04-23-2024 $0.00 CP 0005" The transcript says "Return due date or return received date (whichever is later): 04-15-2024" and "Processing date: 04-15-2024" Been waiting for 9 weeks now and getting really worried. The transcript even says "No tax return filed" at the top of the transactions section even though I definitely filed! Anyone know what this means? The processing date shows 04-15-2024, but I still haven't received anything, and I'm concerned about this CP0005 notice and the "Additional account action pending" status.

Kelsey Hawkins

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Your transcript is actually showing all the right signs! That $9,350 refund is solid - it's the combination of your tax withholdings and Earned Income Credit, which is exactly what you'd expect for your HOH filing status and income level. The 570 code you're seeing is completely normal after ID verification - it's just the IRS saying "hold on, we're finishing up our review." Since you completed verification 2 weeks ago, you're right in the sweet spot of the typical 6-12 week processing window that most people experience. The best part? Your transcript shows $0.00 in penalties and $0.00 in interest, which is a clear indicator that the IRS isn't finding any problems with your return. They're just being extra thorough with their review process. Don't stress about that "No tax return filed" display - it's a known glitch that happens during processing. Your processing date of 04-15-2024 proves they definitely have your return. The CP0005 notation is just an internal code for protected taxpayer info, nothing to worry about. I'd suggest checking your transcript weekly on Friday mornings when most updates happen, rather than daily (trust me, it'll save your sanity!). Once you see a 571 code appear (which reverses the 570 hold) or an 846 "Refund Sent" code, your money should hit your account within 3-5 business days. You're so close to the finish line! ๐ŸŽฏ

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GalaxyGlider

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been checking my transcript multiple times a day and it's been stressing me out so much. Your explanation about the zero penalties/interest being a good sign really puts my mind at ease - I was so worried there might be something wrong with my return. Moving to weekly Friday morning checks definitely sounds like the way to go for my mental health! Really hoping to see that 571 or 846 code appear soon. Thanks for being so detailed and reassuring! ๐Ÿ™โœจ

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Sarah Ali

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Your transcript actually looks really promising! That $9,350 refund is legitimate - it's your withholdings plus your Earned Income Credit, which aligns perfectly with your Head of Household status and income level. The 570 code you're seeing is completely standard after ID verification - it's basically the IRS putting a temporary hold while they complete their review. Since you verified 2 weeks ago, you're right in the normal processing window. Most people see movement between 6-12 weeks after verification. The really encouraging sign is that your transcript shows $0.00 in penalties and $0.00 in interest, which means the IRS isn't finding any problems with your return - they're just taking their time to be thorough. Don't worry about that "No tax return filed" display or the CP0005 code - the first is just a processing glitch, and CP0005 is just an internal notation for protected taxpayer info. Your processing date of 04-15-2024 confirms they definitely have your return. I'd recommend checking your transcript weekly on Friday mornings (when most updates happen) rather than daily to save your sanity! Once you see a 571 code (which reverses the 570 hold) or an 846 "Refund Sent" code appear, your deposit should hit within 3-5 business days. I know 9 weeks feels like forever, but you're almost there! That chunky refund is coming your way! ๐Ÿ’ธ

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Emma Davis

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This discussion has been incredibly thorough and educational! As someone new to this community, I'm impressed by the depth of real-world experience and specific numbers everyone has shared. After reading through all these responses, it's clear that the $1 sale approach creates far more tax problems than it solves. The consistent pattern across different families - losing stepped-up basis, owing capital gains on decades of appreciation you never benefited from, gift tax reporting complications, and even property tax reassessment issues - makes this seem like a trap that catches well-meaning families off guard. The revocable living trust option that multiple people have successfully implemented sounds like the clear winner. Preserving parental control during lifetime while maintaining the stepped-up basis benefit, avoiding gift tax complications, and maintaining flexibility for future needs like Medicaid planning - all for $2,500-$3,000 in upfront legal costs versus potentially six-figure tax savings. What really drives the point home is seeing the actual numbers people shared: $460K in potential capital gains, $342K in taxable appreciation, $120K+ in lost tax benefits. These aren't theoretical scenarios - they're real families who either narrowly avoided or unfortunately experienced these massive tax hits. For anyone considering property transfers to children, this thread should be required reading. The professional consultation costs seem minimal compared to the financial consequences of getting this wrong. Thank you all for being so generous with sharing your experiences - it's exactly what makes online communities valuable for navigating complex financial decisions.

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MoonlightSonata

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As someone who just joined this community, I'm amazed by how comprehensive this discussion has been! The real-world examples and specific numbers everyone shared really illustrate why the $1 sale approach can be such a costly mistake. What really caught my attention was how the "simple" solution consistently turns out to be the most expensive one when you factor in all the tax implications. The pattern is so clear across all the different family situations - whether it's potential capital gains on $460K of appreciation or losing $120K+ in tax benefits, the numbers are just staggering. The revocable living trust approach sounds like it elegantly solves all these problems while preserving the tax advantages. I'm particularly impressed by how it maintains parental control during their lifetime while still providing the stepped-up basis benefit at inheritance. That seems like the perfect balance for most families. This thread has definitely convinced me that professional consultation is essential for anyone facing these decisions. The upfront legal costs of $2,500-$3,000 seem like such a bargain compared to the potential tax savings of $50,000-$100,000+. Thank you all for sharing such detailed, practical advice - this is exactly the kind of community knowledge that helps families avoid expensive mistakes!

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Caden Turner

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This has been such an incredibly valuable discussion to read through! As someone who was initially leaning toward the $1 sale approach with my parents' property, all these real-world experiences have completely opened my eyes to the potential tax consequences. The pattern is so clear across everyone's stories - what seems like a "simple" solution consistently creates massive tax problems down the road. Whether it's owing capital gains on hundreds of thousands in appreciation you never actually received, losing the stepped-up basis benefit, or triggering property tax reassessments, the $1 sale approach seems to be a trap waiting to catch well-meaning families. What really convinced me was seeing the actual numbers people shared. The comparison of $2,500-$3,000 in attorney fees for a revocable living trust versus potentially $50,000-$100,000+ in tax savings makes this one of the easiest financial decisions I can imagine. The trust approach preserves parental control, maintains the stepped-up basis benefit, avoids gift tax complications, and provides flexibility for future Medicaid planning. I'm scheduling a consultation with an estate planning attorney next week based on this discussion. The complexity and potential cost of getting this wrong is just too high to proceed without professional guidance. Thank you all for being so generous with sharing your experiences and specific numbers - this community has potentially saved my family from making a very expensive mistake!

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