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Jade Santiago

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Something to be aware of - the recharacterization makes it look like you never contributed to the Roth in the first place, but your 2024 conversion of $7,500 from Traditional to Roth IS reportable on your 2024 taxes. You'll get another 1099-R for that. And don't forget about Form 8606 for the Traditional IRA contribution. It's super confusing but critical to track the non-deductible contributions if you're over the income limit!

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Caleb Stone

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Why do you need Form 8606 if you immediately convert the Traditional IRA to Roth? Doesn't that make the whole thing moot since the money doesn't stay in the Traditional IRA?

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Evelyn Xu

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You still need Form 8606 even if you convert immediately because it tracks the basis in your Traditional IRA. Without it, the IRS assumes your entire Traditional IRA balance is pre-tax money, so when you convert to Roth, they'll tax the full amount. Form 8606 tells them "hey, this $7,500 was already taxed money (non-deductible contribution), so don't tax it again during the conversion." It's basically protecting you from double taxation on that money.

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Sean Doyle

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This is exactly the kind of situation that trips up a lot of people! The key thing to understand is that a recharacterization is treated as if the original contribution never happened to the Roth - it's like going back in time and making the contribution to the Traditional IRA instead. A couple of important points for your specific situation: 1. Yes, you need to amend your 2023 return even though the recharacterization happened in 2024. The IRS treats this as correcting your 2023 tax year. 2. The $12.7K on your 1099-R includes both your original $6,900 contribution plus the earnings that accumulated while it was in the Roth account. 3. When you amend, you're not adding $12.7K to your AGI. Instead, you're claiming a Traditional IRA deduction for the $6,900 (assuming you're eligible based on your income and whether you have a workplace retirement plan). 4. Don't forget to file Form 8606 with your amended return if you can't take the full deduction due to income limits. This tracks your basis for future withdrawals. The TurboTax error makes sense - it's detecting that you need to handle the recharacterization properly on your prior year return before it can process your current year taxes correctly.

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Connor Byrne

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This is really helpful! Just to clarify - when you say I can claim a Traditional IRA deduction for the $6,900 on my amended return, does that mean I subtract $6,900 from my 2023 taxable income? And if I'm over the income limits for deductible Traditional IRA contributions, do I still need to amend my return or can I just file Form 8606 with my 2024 taxes? Also, what happens to the earnings portion ($12,700 - $6,900 = $5,800)? Since that was moved to the Traditional IRA as part of the recharacterization, I assume it just sits there and grows tax-deferred until I eventually withdraw it?

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How to adjust our W-4 forms when I earn 3x more than my wife at her new job?

So our family situation has changed pretty dramatically and I need advice on how to handle our W-4 forms. We have a household of 5 - me (36), my wife (35), and our three kids (13, 11, and 8). For most of our marriage, I've been the primary breadwinner. My wife did some part-time work here and there, but now she's starting a permanent position and I just got a significant raise. This means our 2025 tax situation will be completely different than what we're used to. Here's what our income looks like: **My Income for 2025:** - Base Salary: $128,500 - Expected Bonus: Around $17,500 (not guaranteed) - Paid twice monthly: $5,354.17 gross **Wife's New Job for 2025:** - Salary: $39,800 - Paid biweekly: $1,530.77 gross In previous years, I've had minimal federal withholding from my regular paychecks because my annual bonus (which gets heavily taxed) usually covered our tax liability, and we'd get a refund. But with our combined income jumping so much, I'm worried about our withholding strategy. My current W-4 setup: - Filing Status: Married Filing Jointly - Claim Dependents: $6,000 - State: New Mexico (same status) What adjustments should I make to my W-4, and how should my wife complete hers? Since I'll be making more than 3x her income, I'm concerned we'll end up in different tax brackets and potentially owe a bunch next year if we don't set things up correctly. I've been reading about the "two earners/multiple jobs" section of the W-4 but I'm confused about the best approach for our situation.

Dmitry Volkov

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Don't forget to consider other deductions like mortgage interest, student loan interest, retirement contributions, and charitable giving when figuring out your withholding. These can significantly impact your final tax bill. For example, if you're contributing to 401(k)s or IRAs, that reduces your taxable income. Same with HSA contributions if you have a high-deductible health plan. Also, with three kids, you should be getting substantial child tax credits depending on their ages. The child tax credit is $2,000 per qualifying child (currently), so that's a significant reduction in your actual tax liability.

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Ava Thompson

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The Child Tax Credit is actually $2,000 per child for 2024, but only for children under 17. So if any of your kids are turning 17 soon, you'll lose that credit for them. Just something to keep in mind when planning. Also, the phase-out for the CTC starts at $400,000 for married filing jointly, so with their combined income around $168,000, they should get the full amount.

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Dominique Adams

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With your combined income of around $168,000 and three dependents, you're definitely right to be concerned about withholding strategy. The income disparity between you and your wife (roughly 3.2:1 ratio) means the standard "Married Filing Jointly" withholding tables will likely underwithhold for your situation. Here's what I'd recommend based on your specific numbers: **For Your W-4:** - Keep "Married Filing Jointly" status - Claim all three dependents in Step 3 ($6,000 total) - Check box 2(c) for "Multiple Jobs or Spouse Works" - Consider adding an additional amount on line 4(c) - I'd estimate around $200-300 per month to be safe **For Your Wife's W-4:** - "Married Filing Jointly" status - Don't claim any dependents (since you're claiming them) - Also check box 2(c) The reason both of you should check 2(c) is that with such a significant income difference, the withholding needs to account for your combined income pushing you into higher tax brackets. However, the most accurate approach would be to run your numbers through the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator after your wife gets her first few paystubs. This will give you the exact additional withholding amount needed. Don't forget that your bonus will have taxes withheld at the supplemental rate (22% federal), but depending on your total tax liability, this might not be enough coverage anymore with your higher combined income.

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Malik Thompson

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This is really helpful, thank you! The specific breakdown for each of our W-4s makes it much clearer. I like that you mentioned waiting for my wife's first few paystubs before using the IRS estimator - that makes sense since we'll have actual numbers to work with instead of estimates. One follow-up question: you mentioned my bonus withholding at 22% might not be enough coverage anymore. Should I ask my employer to withhold additional federal taxes from my bonus specifically, or is it better to just increase my regular paycheck withholding to compensate? Also, with the $200-300 additional monthly withholding you suggested for my W-4, would that be on top of checking the 2(c) box, or instead of it?

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Zoe Dimitriou

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I went through this exact same nightmare last year! The circular runaround between HSA providers and tax software is maddening. Here's what finally worked for me: Since your HSA has that $1,500 cash threshold before auto-investing, you'll need to calculate earnings on both portions. The key is getting your HSA provider to give you monthly statements showing the cash balance, investment balance, and any interest/dividends earned each month. For the calculation, I used the IRS method from Notice 2000-39: (Excess Amount รท Average Account Balance) ร— Total Net Income. The tricky part is "average account balance" - I calculated the daily average from when I made each excess contribution until my withdrawal date. Here's a practical tip: Frame your request to your HSA provider as "I need historical account statements and transaction details for tax compliance purposes." Don't mention calculations - just ask for the raw data. They're required to provide account history even if they won't do math. Also, if you have investment losses during the period, those actually reduce the earnings you need to withdraw (the "net income" can be negative). Make sure you're tracking both gains AND losses in your calculation. The good news is you can fix this before the tax deadline to avoid the 6% excise tax on excess contributions. You'll still owe regular income tax on the earnings portion, but that's much better than ongoing penalties. Document everything thoroughly - HSA excess contributions are audit red flags, so having a clear paper trail of your methodology is crucial. Good luck!

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Oliver Brown

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! I especially appreciate the tip about framing the request as needing data "for tax compliance purposes" rather than asking for calculations. That's exactly the kind of practical advice I needed. Your point about investment losses potentially reducing the earnings portion is really interesting. I hadn't considered that the "net income" could actually be negative. Since my HSA investments haven't performed great this year, this might actually work in my favor. Quick question about the daily average calculation - did you literally track every single day's balance, or did you use some kind of approximation? That seems like it could get pretty tedious, especially if contributions were made at different times throughout the year. Also, when you mention this being an "audit red flag," should I be preparing any specific documentation beyond just the calculation methodology? I want to make sure I'm bulletproof if the IRS ever questions this. Thanks again for the detailed guidance - finally feel like I have a clear path forward instead of getting bounced around between unhelpful customer service reps!

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I've been through this exact situation and it's definitely frustrating when everyone passes the buck! Here's what I learned after finally getting through it: Your HSA provider is technically correct that they don't have to calculate the earnings, but they ARE required to provide you with all account data. The key is requesting specific documentation: monthly statements, transaction history, and a breakdown of cash vs. investment earnings for each month. For the calculation itself, you need to include earnings from BOTH the cash portion and invested portion. Since your HSA auto-invests above $1,500, you'll likely have a mix of minimal cash interest and investment gains/losses to account for. The IRS method is: (Excess Contribution Amount รท Total Average Balance) ร— Total Net Income = Attributable Earnings. The "average balance" should be calculated from the date of each excess contribution through your withdrawal date. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet with monthly data points rather than trying to calculate daily averages - it's much more manageable and still provides reasonable accuracy for the IRS formula. Also, if your investments lost money during the relevant period, that actually works in your favor since the "net income" can be negative, reducing what you need to withdraw. Make sure to complete this before your tax filing deadline to avoid the 6% excise tax penalty, and keep detailed documentation of your calculation method. The earnings portion will still be taxable income, but you'll avoid ongoing penalties on the excess itself. Good luck - you'll get through this!

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Paolo Bianchi

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Have you considered hiring a tax attorney to do some due diligence? That's what I did when buying a small manufacturing business. They can do a more thorough check than most of us could do ourselves. Though it costs money, it's WAY cheaper than getting stuck with someone else's tax problems!

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Yara Assad

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How much does something like that typically cost? I'm interested in this approach but working with a tight budget for my due diligence.

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Paolo Bianchi

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For my situation, I paid around $1500 for a business tax attorney to do a thorough review. This included checking for tax liens, reviewing their provided tax returns, and helping me draft language in our purchase agreement to protect me from undisclosed liabilities. If you're on a tight budget, you might find attorneys who will do a more limited scope review for $500-750. Just make sure they specialize in business tax issues. It might seem expensive upfront, but considering the potential disaster of inheriting tax problems, it was some of the best money I ever spent. My attorney actually found an unresolved state tax issue that would have become my problem after the purchase!

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Olivia Clark

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Another option is to request a business credit report from Dun & Bradstreet or Experian Business. These often show tax liens and can give you insight into payment patterns. Many suppliers and vendors report to these agencies, so it gives a picture of how they handle financial obligations.

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Tyrone Johnson

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Thanks for this suggestion. I hadn't thought about business credit reports. Do you know if there's a way to get one without the business owner's involvement or permission? I'm trying to do some preliminary research before I approach them about this directly.

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QuantumQuasar

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What brokerage are you using? I had a similar issue with ETrade last year but found that sometimes clearing browser cache or using a different browser can fix the import issue with TurboTax.

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Keisha Jackson

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I've had problems with Fidelity imports in the past too. Another thing to try is downloading the desktop version of TurboTax instead of using the online version. Sometimes the desktop version handles complex imports better.

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I've dealt with this exact situation! With a 109-page 1099-B, you definitely have options beyond manually entering every transaction. The IRS allows summary reporting for most situations, especially for covered securities where your broker already reported the basis to them. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. First, try the browser/desktop version troubleshooting mentioned by others - sometimes that fixes import issues 2. If that doesn't work, you can absolutely use the summary totals from your 1099-B. Just make sure they match exactly what was reported to the IRS 3. Your $2.75 wash sale loss is already factored into the summary amounts, so you don't need to worry about calculating that separately One thing to double-check: look at your 1099-B to see if you have any "non-covered" securities (box 3 might be unchecked for some). Those might need more detailed reporting, but most modern brokerage accounts deal primarily with covered securities. The key is matching what the IRS already has on file from your broker. As long as your summary numbers align with their records, you should be fine. Save yourself the headache of manual entry!

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Sofia Martinez

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm still pretty new to dealing with such large volumes of trades, so I wasn't sure if the IRS would flag summary reporting. One quick question - when you say "covered securities," how can I tell which ones those are on my 1099-B? Is there a specific box or section I should be looking at to identify them?

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