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Aisha Mahmood

How to Calculate HSA Over Contribution Earnings for Excess Withdrawal?

So I messed up pretty badly with our HSA contributions this year. My wife and I each have separate HDHP plans - she has a family plan and I have an individual plan. Without thinking it through, I contributed the max for my individual plan while she contributed the full family maximum to hers. Totally my bad! Now we're dealing with the HSA Excess Contribution withdrawal process and I'm getting nowhere with figuring out how to calculate the earnings on the excess amount. Our HSA provider refuses to do the calculation and just tells us to "consult a tax advisor." When I reached out through FreeTaxUSA's Pro Support, they just told me to ask my HSA provider. It's a frustrating circle. I've tried figuring out the calculation myself, but it's confusing. The way our HSA works is that contributions go into a cash account first, and once that cash balance exceeds $1,500, it automatically gets invested. So now I'm stuck wondering - do I need to calculate just the interest from the cash portion? Or the investment earnings too? Or both combined? And who's actually responsible for making this calculation? Has anyone dealt with this HSA excess contribution situation before? Any advice would be super helpful!

The calculation should include both the interest earned in the cash portion AND any earnings from the invested portion. The IRS requires you to withdraw not just the excess contribution but also any "net income attributable" to that excess amount. You're responsible for calculating this, though it's frustrating your HSA provider won't help. The basic formula follows IRS Notice 2000-39, which states you multiply the excess amount by the total earnings, then divide by the average account balance. For example: If you over-contributed $2,000, your account earned $500 total (cash + investments), and your average balance was $10,000, then the earnings attributable to your excess would be: $2,000 × $500 ÷ $10,000 = $100. So you'd need to withdraw $2,100 total ($2,000 excess + $100 earnings). The earnings portion will be taxable income and subject to an additional 10% penalty if you're under 65.

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Thanks for the clear explanation! So I need to include both cash and investment earnings. That makes sense, but figuring out the "average account balance" seems tricky. Do I just add up the closing balance for each month and divide by the number of months? My contributions were spread throughout the year, so the excess wasn't sitting in there the whole time. Also, will I get some kind of tax form for this withdrawal next year? I'm worried about documenting this correctly.

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For the average account balance, you should calculate the average of your daily balances from the time of the contribution until the withdrawal date. If that's too cumbersome, monthly balances can work as a reasonable approximation. You'll receive a 1099-SA for the withdrawal, and it will be coded to show that it includes excess contributions. You'll need to report this on Form 8889 with your tax return. The earnings portion will show as "Other income" on your return and be subject to that additional 10% penalty I mentioned (unless you're over 65).

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Don't overthink this. I made the same mistake last year with my wife. We both maxed out our HSAs when we should have only done one family contribution. What worked for me was: 1. Calculate the total excess amount (easy part) 2. For earnings, I just used the total account growth percentage. If the account grew by 5% during the period, I applied that to the excess amount. 3. Filled out the excess contribution withdrawal form with my HSA provider 4. Made sure to do it before tax filing deadline to avoid penalties HSA providers make this way more complicated than it needs to be. Just document your calculation method in case of questions later.

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Did you happen to have any issues with your HSA provider accepting your calculation method? Mine seems to want me to give them the exact dollar amount including earnings, but won't help calculate it. Also, did you have to pay any penalties even though you fixed it before the deadline?

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My HSA provider (HSA Bank) initially gave me some pushback but accepted my calculation when I explained my methodology clearly and referenced IRS Notice 2000-39. I just told them I calculated it based on the overall account growth rate and they processed it. No penalties since I withdrew before the tax filing deadline (including extensions), but I did have to pay regular income tax on the earnings portion. Make sure you mark it as an "excess contribution withdrawal" on their form so it's coded correctly. Keep all your calculation documentation for at least 3 years in case of questions.

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The IRS actually gives you a pretty big break if you correct the excess contribution before your tax filing deadline. Publication 969 states you don't have to include the EARNINGS in your gross income if you withdraw the excess contributions and earnings by your tax filing deadline (including extensions). You only have to include the actual excess CONTRIBUTION in your income for the year it was contributed. So if you act fast, you might avoid some tax headaches! This is different from most other tax-advantaged accounts.

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That's not correct. You absolutely DO have to include the EARNINGS on excess contributions in your gross income, even if you withdraw before the tax filing deadline. What you avoid by withdrawing before the deadline is the 6% excise tax on excess contributions, not taxation of earnings.

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I went through this exact same situation last year and it was incredibly frustrating! Here's what I learned through the process: First, you're absolutely right that both the cash interest AND investment earnings need to be included in the calculation. The IRS doesn't care how your HSA provider structures their accounts - they want the total "net income attributable" to the excess contribution. For the calculation method, I ended up using a weighted average approach since my contributions were made throughout the year. I calculated the number of days each excess dollar was in the account, then applied the proportional earnings rate. It's tedious but more accurate than a simple annual average. The key breakthrough for me was getting my HSA provider's monthly statements going back to when I made the first contribution. Even though they wouldn't do the calculation, they had to provide the historical data. I then built a simple spreadsheet to track: - Daily account balances - Contribution dates and amounts - Total earnings by month (cash + investments) One tip: make sure you're only calculating earnings from the DATE of the excess contribution forward, not from the beginning of the year. That was a mistake I almost made. Document everything thoroughly - the IRS may ask questions later, and having a clear paper trail showing your methodology will save you headaches. Good luck!

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