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Andre Dupont

How accurate do I need to be when calculating earnings on excess HSA contributions?

So my wife and I messed up our health accounts in 2024 by having both an FSA and HSA at the same time, which Publication 969 says is a no-no. Now all my HSA contributions are considered excess and I'm trying to figure out the earnings calculation. The confusing part is that some of my HSA money is invested while some is just sitting in cash (my provider requires a minimum cash balance before investing). I calculated the earnings by looking at the adjusted opening balance (AOB) and adjusted closing balance (ACB) just from the investment portion - basically what the invested amount was on 1/1/24 versus what it is today. But then I used my total contribution amount in the formula even though not all of it was actually invested. I'm wondering if the IRS will be super picky about this? We're probably talking about a difference of maybe $5-10 in the calculation. Do I need to be more precise and factor in the overall HSA account balance including the uninvested portion, or is my current approach good enough? Thanks for any advice!

QuantumQuasar

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Based on my experience dealing with HSA excess contribution corrections, your approach is reasonable. The IRS guidance on calculating earnings for excess contributions isn't extremely detailed, and they allow for reasonable methods of calculation. Publication 969 requires you to withdraw excess contributions and any earnings on those contributions to avoid the 6% excise tax. The intent is to return your situation to where it would have been if the excess contribution hadn't occurred. Your method of using the investment performance to estimate the earnings is logical since that reflects the actual growth. However, if you want to be more precise, you could calculate a weighted average return based on both the invested portion and the cash portion (which likely earned minimal interest). This would be more accurate but may only change the final number by a few dollars as you mentioned.

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Thanks for this info! I'm curious - if the HSA investment portion actually LOST money during the year, would you report negative earnings? Or does the IRS only want you to report positive earnings?

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QuantumQuasar

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Yes, you can report negative earnings if your investments lost value. The IRS allows for reporting negative earnings on excess contributions, which effectively means you'd withdraw less than the original excess contribution amount. This makes sense because the goal is to put you in the same position you would have been in had you not made the excess contribution in the first place. For scenarios with investment losses, you should still document your calculation method clearly in case of questions. The key is having a reasonable, consistent methodology for determining the earnings (or in this case, losses) on the excess amount.

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Mei Lin

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Did it actually work with your HSA provider's statements? My HSA provider (HealthEquity) has the most confusing statements I've ever seen and I'm worried an automated tool wouldn't be able to make sense of them.

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I'm skeptical about these online calculators. How does it handle the cash portion vs invested portion situation? My HSA requires $2,000 in cash before investments and that makes the math super complicated.

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Jamal Wilson

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Quick tip from someone who handles HSA compliance professionally - the "reasonableness" standard for excess contribution calculations means you won't get in trouble for small discrepancies. The IRS cares much more that you: 1) Remove the excess contribution before the deadline 2) Make a good faith effort to calculate earnings 3) Report the distribution correctly on your taxes Your method is certainly reasonable. I typically recommend simply using the overall account rate of return (total gains/losses divided by average balance) applied to the excess contribution amount.

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Andre Dupont

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Thanks so much for this professional perspective. So for my situation, would it be better to take the total account growth percentage (including both cash and investments) and apply that to my excess contribution amount? That seems simpler than what I was trying to do.

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Yes, that total account growth percentage method is actually preferable because it's simpler and still meets the "reasonable method" requirement. Just take the total account growth (or loss) for the year as a percentage, then multiply your excess contribution amount by that percentage. This approach is easy to explain if questioned and is commonly accepted by the IRS. The key timing factor is making sure you complete the distribution of both the excess amount and earnings before the tax filing deadline (including extensions) to avoid the 6% excise tax on excess contributions.

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Don't forget that when you withdraw excess HSA contributions, the earnings portion is taxable as "other income" in the year you make the withdrawal! I learned this the hard way. The excess contribution itself isn't taxed again if you already included it in income (which you would have if it was through your employer's payroll), but the earnings definitely are taxable.

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Sofia Morales

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Is there also a penalty on the earnings portion? I thought I read somewhere that earnings are subject to an additional 10% tax if you're under 65.

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