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Has anyone here actually calculated the exact savings? I'm curious because my accountant says the benefits of s-corp health insurance are "substantial" but won't give me actual numbers.
I did the math on mine. With premiums at $950/month ($11,400/year), having my S-Corp pay saved me about $1,744 in FICA taxes (15.3% of $11,400) compared to if I'd just paid personally. That's basically getting 1.5 months of insurance free each year!
Careful with those calculations. Remember that while the S-Corp paying saves you FICA taxes, you still need proper payroll processing to handle the premium payments as W-2 income (but not subject to FICA). I handle my s-corp's payroll myself and messed this up the first year - had to file amended returns. If you use a payroll service, make sure they understand how to code health insurance for >2% S-corp shareholders correctly.
Great question! I went through this exact same decision last year when I converted my LLC to S-Corp status. After researching and consulting with my tax professional, I ended up having my S-Corp pay 100% of my health insurance premiums. The math is pretty straightforward - at your $780/month premium ($9,360 annually), having the S-Corp pay saves you about $1,430 per year in FICA taxes (15.3% of $9,360). There's really no downside to going with 100% since you get the full deduction either way, but maximize your payroll tax savings. Just make sure you document everything properly. I have my S-Corp pay the insurance company directly each month, and my payroll service adds the premium amount to my W-2 wages (Box 1) but excludes it from Social Security and Medicare wages. Then I deduct the full amount on Line 17 of my personal return. One tip - if you're doing your own payroll, double-check that you're coding the health insurance correctly. It should be included in federal wages but excluded from FICA wages. I use QuickBooks Payroll and there's a specific payroll item for "Health Insurance (S-Corp >2% Owner)" that handles this automatically. With your $75k salary on $125k revenue, you're in a great position - very reasonable compensation ratio that won't raise any IRS eyebrows!
This is really helpful, thanks! Quick question about the documentation - when you say have the S-Corp pay the insurance company directly, do you set up some kind of automatic payment from your business account? I'm worried about missing payments or having timing issues if I'm manually handling this each month. Also, does it matter if the insurance policy is technically in my personal name vs the business name for tax purposes?
Has anyone used tax software like QuickBooks or TaxAct for this? I have a similar situation with my S-Corp and wondering if the software handles these unrealized losses automatically or if I need to make manual adjustments.
I use QuickBooks for my S-Corp and it handles this pretty well, but you need to set up the accounts correctly. Create an investment account for the stocks, then create a separate unrealized gain/loss account. When you adjust the investment value at year-end, the offset goes to the unrealized gain/loss account. Then when exporting to your tax software, it should identify this as a book-to-tax difference for M-1.
I went through this exact same situation with my S-Corp last year and it was definitely confusing at first. The advice about Schedule M-1 line 5 is spot on - that's exactly where the unrealized loss goes. One thing I'd add is to make sure you document everything clearly in case of an audit. I kept a simple spreadsheet showing the original purchase price ($1,200), year-end fair market value ($550), and the calculation of the unrealized loss ($650). This helps if you ever need to explain the M-1 adjustment. Also, don't forget that when you eventually sell these stocks, you'll need to reverse this M-1 adjustment since the actual gain/loss will be recognized for tax purposes at that point. The unrealized loss adjustment is temporary - it just reconciles the timing difference between book and tax accounting. Your balance sheet approach sounds correct too - showing the securities at fair market value ($550) with the unrealized loss flowing through to reconcile your retained earnings. It all balances out once you get the M-1 schedule right.
This is really helpful documentation advice! I hadn't thought about keeping a detailed spreadsheet for audit purposes. When you mention reversing the M-1 adjustment upon sale, does that happen automatically in most tax software, or do I need to manually track and reverse it? I want to make sure I don't miss this step when I eventually sell these securities.
2 I specifically asked my tax preparer about this last year! The key is whether your employer plan is considered a "qualified" plan and whether your portion is paid pre-tax or post-tax. If your $420 contribution is made with pre-tax dollars (most common), you can't deduct it again on your 1099 income. If it's post-tax (less common), you might be eligible for a partial deduction based on your self-employment income percentage.
6 How do you know if your contribution is pre-tax or post-tax? Is there a box on the W-2 that shows this? I seriously have no idea how my company handles this.
Check your pay stub first - if your health insurance deduction is taken out before taxes are calculated, it's pre-tax. If it's deducted after taxes, it's post-tax. On your W-2, pre-tax health insurance premiums won't be included in your taxable wages (Box 1), but they will be included in your Social Security and Medicare wages (Boxes 3 and 5). You can also check with your HR department - they should be able to tell you exactly how your health insurance contributions are handled.
Great question! This is actually a pretty common scenario for people with mixed income sources. The answer depends on how your employer handles your health insurance premiums. If your $420 is deducted pre-tax from your paycheck (which is most common), you've already received the tax benefit and can't deduct it again for your 1099 income. However, if it's deducted post-tax, you may be able to claim a partial self-employed health insurance deduction on Schedule 1 of your 1040 (not Schedule C). The deduction would be proportional to your self-employment income vs. total income. To check: Look at your pay stub - if the health insurance comes out before taxes are calculated, it's pre-tax. If it comes out after, it's post-tax. You can also verify by checking if your W-2 Box 1 (taxable wages) is lower than your gross pay by more than just the health insurance amount. Even if you can't deduct the health insurance, make sure you're tracking all your other legitimate business expenses for your consulting work - they add up quickly!
This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was hoping for! I'm going to check my pay stub tonight to see if my health insurance is pre-tax or post-tax. I had no idea there was a difference or that it would affect my ability to deduct it for my freelance work. The proportional deduction based on self-employment income vs total income makes total sense too. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - it's way more helpful than the IRS publications I was trying to wade through!
Ughhh dealing with BOFA and the IRS is pure hell. I ended up having to get my congressman's office involved after 3 months of getting nowhere with my missing refund. If you're really stuck, seriously consider contacting your rep - they have caseworkers who deal with this stuff all the time and can cut through the red tape.
It hasn't been that long for me yet, but I'll keep this as a last resort option. How did you contact your congressman's office? Just called them?
I'm sorry you're dealing with this frustrating situation! I went through something very similar last year. The confusion comes from the terminology - you don't actually need Bank of America to give you a "trace number." What you need is for the IRS to initiate a payment trace on their end. Here's what worked for me: First, make sure it's been at least 5 business days since the IRS says your refund was deposited. Then you have two options: 1. File Form 3911 (Taxpayer Statement Regarding Refund) with the IRS - you can download it from their website 2. Call the IRS directly at 800-829-1040 to request a payment trace When you contact the IRS, they'll handle reaching out to Bank of America through the proper banking channels. The bank doesn't provide trace numbers directly to customers - it's all handled between the IRS and the bank's ACH department. Before you do anything though, double-check the account and routing numbers you used on your tax return against your actual bank account info. A lot of times these issues happen because of a simple typo in the account number. Hope this helps and you get your refund sorted out soon!
Amara Nnamani
8 Microsoft has a free online version of Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) that you can use through a web browser at office.com. It's not as full-featured as the desktop version but might be enough for basic work tasks without having to pay for a subscription.
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Amara Nnamani
ā¢25 The online version is super limited though. I tried using it for my job and couldn't do half the things I needed to in Excel. No advanced formulas or macros. Ended up having to buy the full version anyway.
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Michael Adams
Another alternative worth considering is LibreOffice, which is completely free and open-source. It's compatible with Microsoft Office file formats and includes Writer (Word equivalent), Calc (Excel equivalent), and Impress (PowerPoint equivalent). While it may have a slightly different interface, it handles most business tasks well and could be a good temporary solution while you work on getting your employer to provide or reimburse the Microsoft Office subscription. I've used it for basic document editing and spreadsheet work and found it quite capable for most standard office tasks.
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