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Just wanted to add - my accountant told me there's another option you might consider. If you're helping with qualified education expenses, you could potentially claim the Lifetime Learning Credit on your taxes if you can claim your fiancΓ© as a dependent. The rules for claiming an adult who isn't your child are pretty strict though. You'd need to provide more than half their support for the year, they'd need to live with you, and their income would need to be under the threshold amount. It's probably a long shot in your case since he likely doesn't qualify as your dependent, but worth mentioning as an alternative to consider.
Thanks for suggesting this! I hadn't even thought about tax credits. Unfortunately, I don't think I can claim him as a dependent since he made about $55,000 before starting school this year. But I'll definitely look into all the education-related tax benefits once we're married next year. It sounds like from everyone's advice, the best approach is to pay the school directly for the remaining payments. For the money I've already given him directly, I'll just need to file the gift tax form but won't actually owe any taxes.
Just throwing this out there - have you checked whether his program qualifies for loan forgiveness after graduation? My cousin is a PA and is getting public service loan forgiveness by working at a qualifying non-profit hospital. Might be worth factoring into your financial plan if he's going to work in a setting that qualifies!
PA here - PSLF is definitely worth looking into, but keep in mind it requires 10 years of payments while working at qualifying employers. The employer has to be a government org or certain non-profits. Also, with the high salaries many PAs command (even at non-profits), sometimes it's financially better to just pay off the loans aggressively.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - you should really look into the QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction when making this decision. It lets you deduct up to 20% of your business income in certain situations, but salary payments to yourself DON'T count toward this deduction. This is why a lot of small business owners do a smaller salary and larger distributions - to maximize the QBI deduction. But there are phase-outs based on income levels and business type.
Can you explain more about these phase-outs? I've heard about QBI but my accountant said I probably can't use it because of my income level (around $225k).
The phase-outs start at $170,050 for single filers and $340,100 for joint filers (for 2022 tax year, slightly higher for 2023). Above those thresholds, the deduction starts to phase out for specified service businesses (legal, health, consulting, financial services, etc.). For non-service businesses, instead of phasing out completely, the deduction becomes limited based on W-2 wages paid and qualified property. This is where it gets tricky - sometimes paying yourself MORE in W-2 wages actually increases your QBI deduction if you're over the threshold. That's why personalized analysis is so important.
Has anyone here dealt with health insurance as a sole director/owner? I'm setting up a company and wondering if I should put myself on payroll JUST to get the health insurance deduction, since I think it has to run through the payroll system to be fully deductible?
If you have an S-Corp, health insurance premiums paid for a >2% shareholder (which you would be) must be reported as income on your W-2, but then you get to deduct them on your personal return. It's a wash tax-wise, but requires the proper paperwork. For an LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship, you can take the self-employed health insurance deduction directly on your personal return without running it through payroll.
Something else to consider - if this is the final return for the trust, make sure you check the final return box at the top of the 1041. Also, don't forget to issue K-1s to the beneficiaries if there were any distributions during the tax year. The K-1 amounts need to reconcile with what's on the 1041.
Thanks for mentioning this! Yes, this is actually the final distribution year for the trust. So I need to check that box. For the K-1s, does the software automatically generate those, or do I need to create them separately? And will the refund go to the trust account (which I'm planning to close) or can I direct it somewhere else?
Most tax software will generate the K-1s automatically based on the information you enter in the 1041. You'll just need to make sure the distribution amounts to each beneficiary are entered correctly. For the refund, since this is the final return, you can have it sent to a different address by completing Form 8822-B to notify the IRS of an address change for the trust. Alternatively, you can request direct deposit to a specific bank account on the 1041 itself. Just make sure not to close the trust bank account until after you've received the refund if you're planning to use that account.
One thing nobody mentioned - if you filed the extension on Form 7004, make sure the EIN on your extension exactly matches the one on your 1041. I had an issue last year where our extension payment wasn't initially credited because of a transposed digit in the EIN. Took months to sort out.
Another approach worth considering: file an extension for your 2024 return. This gives you until October 15, 2025 to file, which might be enough time for your brokerage to issue the 1099-R. Some brokerages will issue a 1099-R mid-year rather than waiting until tax season the following year, especially if you specifically request it and explain the situation. Call your brokerage and ask if they can issue the 1099-R earlier due to the excess contribution withdrawal. Even if they can't issue it early, the extension gives you more time before interest starts accruing on any additional tax from the earnings portion.
Thanks for this idea. We've already filed an extension for other reasons, but I never thought about asking the brokerage to issue the 1099-R early. I'll definitely call them tomorrow to see if that's possible. Would save us a lot of hassle if they can do that before October.
Extensions are great for situations like this. Just remember that while the extension gives you more time to file, it doesn't give you more time to pay the tax you owe. You should estimate the tax on the earnings portion and pay it with your extension request (Form 4868) to minimize interest. From my experience, about half the brokerages are willing to issue these 1099-Rs early when asked specifically. Be sure to speak with someone in their tax department rather than just a general customer service rep, as they're more likely to understand what you need and why.
Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm wondering if there's a specific place to report this without having the 1099-R in hand.
I used TurboTax last year for this exact scenario. In the Income section, there's an "Other Income" category where you can enter the earnings amount. I labeled it as "Earnings from excess Roth IRA contribution withdrawal" and entered the estimated amount. Then I attached a statement explaining the situation to my e-filed return. Worked fine, no issues from the IRS.
Arnav Bengali
One thing to consider with charitable donations of this size is a Donor-Advised Fund (DAF). You can donate a large amount in one tax year to get the immediate deduction, but then distribute the actual gifts to charities over multiple years. This could be helpful if you want to offset this year's big gains but haven't fully decided which charities should receive what amounts. Most major investment firms (Fidelity, Vanguard, Schwab) offer DAFs and they're becoming more crypto-friendly.
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Sayid Hassan
β’Are there any minimum amounts needed to start a DAF? And do you still get the tax benefit if you don't immediately distribute the money to end charities?
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Arnav Bengali
β’Most major DAFs have minimums in the $5,000-25,000 range to open an account, which shouldn't be an issue given the size of your potential donation. Some smaller community foundations might have lower minimums if you're looking to start smaller. You absolutely get the full tax deduction in the year you contribute to the DAF, regardless of when you distribute the money to end charities. That's the main benefit! You could theoretically put in millions this year, claim the deduction now, and then take your time over many years to thoughtfully distribute the funds. The money can even be invested and grow tax-free while in the DAF. Just be aware that once money goes into a DAF, it can only come out as charitable donations - you can't take it back personally.
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Rachel Tao
Has anyone here actually donated crypto directly to a charity? I'm curious about the logistics. Do they give you some kind of wallet address? Do you need a special tax form?
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Derek Olson
β’I donated about 3 ETH to the Red Cross last year. They have a dedicated crypto donation page with wallet addresses for different cryptocurrencies. The receipt they provided showed the USD value at the time of transfer based on market rates. I had to fill out Form 8283 for noncash charitable contributions with my tax return. My accountant said for donations over $5,000 I would have needed a qualified appraisal too, but I was under that threshold.
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Rachel Tao
β’Thanks for sharing your experience! I didn't realize they would have dedicated wallet addresses ready to go. Did you have any issues with the Form 8283? I'm nervous about getting the valuation right since crypto prices fluctuate so much.
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