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The LLC confusion is totally understandable. What's happening is people are conflating two different things: the LIABILITY benefits of an LLC (which are real) with TAX benefits (which don't exist for single-member LLCs). The real tax flexibility comes when you have a multi-member LLC or when you elect to have your LLC taxed as an S-Corp. That's when you can potentially reduce self-employment taxes, but it's complicated and only makes financial sense once you're making substantial profit (usually $60k+ minimum).
Can you explain more about this S-Corp election thing? At what income level does it actually start making sense from a tax perspective?
The S-Corp election starts making financial sense when your business profit is high enough that the tax savings exceed the additional costs of maintaining an S-Corp. For most small businesses, that's typically around $60,000-$80,000 in annual profit. The primary tax advantage comes from splitting your income between a reasonable salary (which still gets hit with self-employment tax) and distributions (which avoid self-employment tax). But there are additional costs - you'll need payroll processing, more complex tax filings, and possibly higher accountant fees. It's definitely not worth it for businesses with modest profits.
Ugh I fell for this LLC myth BS last year. Paid $500 to form an LLC thinking I'd save thousands in taxes. Filed my return and... drumroll... exactly ZERO difference in my tax bill compared to when I was a sole proprietor. The only real difference is now I have annual LLC fees to pay to my state.
21 Don't forget to check out your local community college! Mine offers free small business workshops including tax basics for self-employed people. They bring in local CPAs to teach them, and the information is specific to our state's requirements. Their website lists all the upcoming workshops and most are available online now too.
11 Do you need to be a student at the college to attend these workshops? I've never thought about checking community colleges for this type of resource.
21 Nope! The small business workshops are open to the community, not just students. That's what makes them such a great resource. They're funded through the college's community education program and some small business grants. Check your local college's "Community Education" or "Continuing Education" section on their website. If they don't have anything listed, also try your local Small Business Development Center (SBDC) which offers similar free workshops.
19 Just a heads up since you're starting an Etsy shop - make sure you keep METICULOUS records of all your expenses and materials from day one!!! I learned this the hard way. Keep receipts for everything - materials, packaging, shipping supplies, any tools you buy, even the percentage of your internet/phone you use for business. Take photos of receipts too because they fade. This will save you SO MUCH STRESS at tax time and help you maximize deductions. I use a simple spreadsheet with categories for everything + a folder on my phone where I immediately snap pics of receipts.
Something else to consider - you might qualify for a reduced installment plan based on your income. I was in a similar situation last year (owed about $5K) and qualified for what they call a "streamlined" installment plan. The application is Form 9465. You'll need to provide some basic info about your income and expenses. If your income is relatively low, which sounds like it might be the case, they may approve a lower monthly payment than the standard calculation. Also, get a copy of your wage and income transcript from the IRS website. It's free and will show exactly what's been reported for you. This helps make sure there aren't any other surprises waiting when you file.
Thanks for the tip about Form 9465. Is that something I'd need to submit now, or when I actually file my taxes next year? And how long does it typically take for the IRS to approve an installment plan?
You'll submit Form 9465 when you file your tax return, so you don't need to worry about it until tax time next year (unless you're filing for a previous year). You can actually include it right with your tax return, which is the easiest approach. The IRS is pretty quick with streamlined installment agreements. If you owe less than $10,000, request a reasonable monthly payment, and have filed all required tax returns, approval is usually automatic and happens within about 30 days. If you apply online through the IRS website after filing, it can sometimes be approved immediately. Just make sure when you file that you still pay as much as you can upfront - this reduces the amount subject to penalties and interest. Every dollar you can pay when filing saves you money in the long run!
Just a heads up - make sure you check your state tax situation too! Depending on what state you're in, your W4 exemption might have also affected your state withholding. Many states use the federal W4 as a basis for their withholding. I had the same issue in Washington and thought I was fine since WA doesn't have income tax, but I had previously lived in Oregon for part of the year and ended up owing state taxes there as well. Don't want you to get hit with a second surprise bill!
Good point! Oregon has pretty high state income taxes too. OP mentioned being in Washington, which doesn't have state income tax, but if they worked in OR at all or live near the border and work in OR, they could definitely have state tax obligations.
Just so we're clear about the tax savings structure of an S-Corp: When you take money as salary: - You pay income tax - You pay employee portion of FICA (7.65%) - Your business pays employer portion of FICA (7.65%) - Plus unemployment taxes When you take money as distributions: - You pay income tax - NO FICA taxes! That's why the salary vs. distribution split matters so much. But remember the salary MUST be reasonable for your role or you're asking for trouble. I've been running my S-Corp for 7 years and my accountant says the IRS is increasingly scrutinizing S-Corps with unusually low salaries compared to distributions.
How do you determine what percentage is "reasonable"? Is there a specific formula the IRS uses or is it more of a judgment call?
There's no specific formula or percentage the IRS mandates - it's more of a facts and circumstances test. The IRS looks at factors like your qualifications, duties, time spent in the business, what comparable positions pay in your industry and region, and the financial performance of your business. For some businesses, a 50/50 split might be perfectly reasonable, while in others (especially service businesses where the owner's expertise is the primary value), the salary portion should be higher. I recommend researching salary data for your position in your area using resources like the Bureau of Labor Statistics or industry compensation surveys to support whatever split you choose.
I've used both. Gusto is MUCH more user-friendly for S-Corp payroll specifically. They have an owner setup wizard that walks you through things like reasonable compensation documentation. QuickBooks is more robust for overall accounting but their payroll can be confusing for S-Corp owner-employees. Gusto also automatically handles all the special forms for paying yourself as an S-Corp owner.
Wesley Hallow
I went through this exact situation when I got married in 2023! The thing nobody tells you is that the type of financial aid matters A LOT. If it's all loans, filing jointly usually makes more sense tax-wise. But if she's getting grants or need-based scholarships, filing separately might protect those. The income-driven repayment for federal loans also looks at tax filing status. Another thing to consider: if you file separately, you BOTH must either take the standard deduction or BOTH itemize. You can't mix and match. And if you live in a community property state, things get even more complicated because income splitting rules apply.
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Ana ErdoΔan
β’Thanks for sharing your experience! What specific types of grants did your spouse have that were affected by filing status? My wife mentioned something about a state grant but I'm not sure which one exactly.
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Wesley Hallow
β’My wife had a combination of a federal Pell Grant and a state grant that was specifically for lower-income students returning to education. Both had income limits that would have been exceeded if we filed jointly. The state grant (in California) was particularly sensitive to income changes. If your wife has a state grant, that's a huge flag to investigate further because many state grants have strict income requirements that can disappear entirely once you cross a threshold - unlike federal aid which often gradually phases out. I'd recommend having her contact her school's financial aid office directly to ask how joint filing would impact her specific grants. They usually have better information than the general FAFSA helpline.
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Justin Chang
Has anybody looked into how the recent FAFSA changes affect this situation? I heard they changed some of the formulas and income protection allowances for the 2025-2026 school year.
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Grace Thomas
β’Yes! The new FAFSA has increased the income protection allowance, meaning more of your income is shielded from aid calculations. For married couples, you get a higher protection amount than single filers. This actually makes filing jointly slightly LESS harmful to aid eligibility than before.
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