How to Calculate Payroll Taxes for S-Corp When Taking 50% as Dividends?
I finally got my S-Corp setup (just me, single member) and now I'm trying to figure out the payroll stuff. I'm planning to use QuickBooks or maybe Gusto to handle the payroll processing. My plan is to take about 50% of the business income as salary and the other 50% as dividends. What's really confusing me is understanding what taxes I'll owe on both portions. Are payroll taxes only on the salary part? Do I pay different taxes on the dividend portion? And how the heck do I calculate what my actual payroll tax amount will be? The business should bring in around $120k this year, so I'm thinking $60k salary and $60k dividends. But I have no idea what that means for my tax situation and what I should be setting aside. Any help would be super appreciated!
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CosmicCowboy
The way you're structuring your S-Corp compensation is pretty common, but there are important tax distinctions between salary and distributions (which is the correct term rather than dividends for an S-Corp). For the salary portion ($60k in your example), you'll need to withhold and pay: - Federal income tax withholding based on the W-4 you complete - Social Security tax (6.2% from you, 6.2% from your business) - Medicare tax (1.45% from you, 1.45% from your business) - Federal unemployment tax (FUTA) - paid only by the business - State income tax and unemployment taxes (varies by location) The employer portion of these taxes (business side) is what people typically mean by "payroll taxes" - roughly 7.65% plus unemployment taxes. For the distribution portion, you don't pay self-employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare), which is the main tax advantage. However, you still pay income tax on ALL S-Corp profits, whether distributed or not, on your personal tax return.
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Natasha Orlova
•Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, I'm saving the 15.3% self-employment tax on the distribution portion? Is there a minimum reasonable salary the IRS expects? I heard somewhere that they don't like it if you take too little as salary to avoid payroll taxes.
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CosmicCowboy
•You're understanding correctly - you save approximately 15.3% on the distribution portion compared to if you were a sole proprietor or single-member LLC. Regarding reasonable salary, this is a critically important point. The IRS does require S-Corp owners to take a "reasonable salary" based on your qualifications, experience, and what similar positions would earn in your industry. Taking too little as salary to avoid payroll taxes is a red flag that can trigger audits. Industry standards, your duties, time commitment, and business profits should all factor into determining what's "reasonable." For many service-based businesses, a 50/50 split is often considered acceptable, but documentation supporting your salary decision is always recommended.
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Javier Cruz
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Emma Thompson
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Malik Jackson
•I'm a bit skeptical about these types of tools. How does it know what's "reasonable" for your specific industry? Does it have actual IRS guidelines built in or is it just making educated guesses?
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Malik Jackson
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Freya Christensen
Just so we're clear about the tax savings structure of an S-Corp: When you take money as salary: - You pay income tax - You pay employee portion of FICA (7.65%) - Your business pays employer portion of FICA (7.65%) - Plus unemployment taxes When you take money as distributions: - You pay income tax - NO FICA taxes! That's why the salary vs. distribution split matters so much. But remember the salary MUST be reasonable for your role or you're asking for trouble. I've been running my S-Corp for 7 years and my accountant says the IRS is increasingly scrutinizing S-Corps with unusually low salaries compared to distributions.
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Omar Hassan
•How do you determine what percentage is "reasonable"? Is there a specific formula the IRS uses or is it more of a judgment call?
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Freya Christensen
•There's no specific formula or percentage the IRS mandates - it's more of a facts and circumstances test. The IRS looks at factors like your qualifications, duties, time spent in the business, what comparable positions pay in your industry and region, and the financial performance of your business. For some businesses, a 50/50 split might be perfectly reasonable, while in others (especially service businesses where the owner's expertise is the primary value), the salary portion should be higher. I recommend researching salary data for your position in your area using resources like the Bureau of Labor Statistics or industry compensation surveys to support whatever split you choose.
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Chloe Robinson
Has anyone here used Gusto for S-Corp payroll? I'm trying to decide between that and QuickBooks.
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Diego Chavez
•I've used both. Gusto is MUCH more user-friendly for S-Corp payroll specifically. They have an owner setup wizard that walks you through things like reasonable compensation documentation. QuickBooks is more robust for overall accounting but their payroll can be confusing for S-Corp owner-employees. Gusto also automatically handles all the special forms for paying yourself as an S-Corp owner.
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