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Another option to consider for your Form 1041 estate accounting issue: I've found that most brokerages maintain underlying classification data for dividends throughout the year, even before they generate the official 1099-DIV. If you log into your online brokerage account, look for a section called "Tax Center" or "Tax Information." Many platforms allow you to generate customized tax reports for date ranges that don't align with calendar years. I was able to get this for my father's estate with Fidelity, and I believe Schwab and Vanguard offer similar functionality. The key is that you need the classification between qualified dividends (which get preferential tax rates) and non-qualified dividends for accurate Form 1041 reporting.
Does this work for accounts that hold REITs? Those distributions are especially complicated with return of capital, etc. I'm struggling with exactly this issue right now for an estate I'm administering.
Yes, it actually works quite well for REITs, which are one of the most complicated assets for estate fiscal year accounting. The brokerage's tax center will typically show the breakdown of REIT distributions into ordinary income, qualified dividends, capital gain distributions, and return of capital. For the fiscal portion where you don't yet have the official breakdown, many brokerages will let you see the preliminary classification based on what the REIT has announced. REITs are required to announce their dividend tax classifications, even though the official 1099 comes later. If you can't find this in your brokerage's system, you can often go directly to the investor relations section of the REIT's website and find their dividend tax classification announcements.
An important thing to note with Form 1041 estate filings using a fiscal year: you need to make sure you're using the correct tax rates and forms. For a fiscal year that includes parts of 2022 and 2023, you would use the 2022 Form 1041 (not the 2023 version) since the fiscal year began in 2022. But you'll compute the tax using a blended rate based on the portion of income that falls in each calendar year.
Is that really true? I thought you always use the form for the year in which the fiscal year ends. So for a Aug 2022-July 2023 fiscal year, wouldn't you use the 2023 forms since that's when the fiscal year ends?
Don't forget to check if either of your employers allows after-tax contributions to your 401k (sometimes called "mega backdoor Roth"). The $22,500 limit is only for traditional pre-tax and Roth 401k contributions combined. Some plans allow additional after-tax contributions up to the total annual limit ($69,000 minus employer contributions minus your $22,500). This is different from the regular backdoor Roth IRA, which you should also consider if your income exceeds the Roth IRA limits.
How do you know if your plan allows this? Is it something I need to ask HR about specifically? I've never seen "after-tax contributions" as an option in either of my employer's benefit portals.
You need to ask your HR department or plan administrator specifically about "after-tax contributions" (not Roth contributions, which are different). Many employers don't advertise this feature even when they have it. You'll also want to ask if they allow in-plan Roth conversions or in-service withdrawals of these after-tax contributions. Not all 401k plans offer this option - it's more common with larger employers. If either of your plans does allow it, it's a powerful way to get more money into tax-advantaged accounts beyond the standard limits.
Make sure you don't accidentally over-contribute across your two jobs! This happened to me last year and it was a nightmare to fix. Had to contact both plan administrators, fill out excess contribution forms, and pay taxes on the earnings. The worst part was neither employer's HR dept knew how to handle it.
Is there an easy way to track this? My contributions are percentage-based, not dollar-based, so it's hard to calculate the exact amount going in each month, especially with bonuses.
I think people don't realize that cutting IRS funding actually INCREASES the deficit. The IRS brings in far more money than it costs to operate. Every dollar spent on enforcement returns something like $5-6 in previously uncollected taxes. Cutting their budget is penny-wise, pound-foolish. It's the big fish who benefit from a weakened IRS - wealthy individuals and corporations with complex tax situations who can hide income or inflate deductions knowing the IRS doesn't have resources to properly audit them. The average W-2 employee gets their taxes automatically withheld and has nowhere to hide anyway.
Do you have a source for that $5-6 return on investment figure? I'm not doubting you, just would like to read more about it since that's a compelling argument against budget cuts.
The Treasury Department's own analysis from 2021 estimated that every additional dollar invested in tax enforcement yields at least $5 in revenue. More recent studies suggest the return could be even higher for certain enforcement activities targeting high-income individuals and large corporations. For comparison, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has historically used more conservative estimates of a 3:1 to 5:1 return ratio, but even at the low end, that's still a 300% return on investment. There's a good article in the Journal of Tax Policy from last quarter that breaks down different enforcement activities and their respective ROIs. The highest returns come from audits of high-income individuals with business income and large corporations with international operations.
Can someone explain why there's so much pushback when the IRS tries to get more funding? I don't understand why better tax enforcement is so controversial. Is it just because nobody likes paying taxes?
Don't forget to check if your state has its own version of EITC! Many states have their own earned income credits with slightly different rules. In my state, the age requirement is actually different than the federal one. Might be worth checking if your state offers something you can claim now.
I hadn't even thought about state-specific credits! Do you know where I should look to find out if my state has different age requirements for their version of the EITC?
Check your state's department of revenue or taxation website - they usually have a dedicated page for state tax credits. Just google "[your state] earned income tax credit" and it should come up. You can also look at your state tax form instructions which typically list all available credits. About half of US states offer their own EITC, and the rules do vary. Some states make it a percentage of the federal credit, but others have their own qualifications. Worth checking because even if you don't qualify for the federal one, you might get some benefit from your state!
Just a heads up if ur turning 25 - check if ur "childless" for tax purposes. The EITC age requirement is only 25+ if ur filing without qualifying children. If u have qualifying kids that u can claim, then the age requirement doesn't apply at all! Kinda confusing but that's how it works.
Owen Jenkins
One thing to consider with an OIC is that you'll need to stay completely compliant with all tax filings and payments for the next 5 years after acceptance. If your brother struggles with executive functioning, make sure you have a plan in place to help him stay on top of quarterly estimated payments and annual filings. I've seen people get their OICs accepted only to default because they couldn't maintain compliance. The IRS will reinstate the original debt (minus payments made) if compliance isn't maintained.
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Molly Chambers
ā¢That's really important to know - I hadn't considered the long-term compliance requirements. If the OIC is accepted, I'll definitely need to set up a system to help him stay on track with quarterly payments. Maybe setting up automatic transfers to a tax savings account? Would monthly estimated payments be allowed instead of quarterly to make it more manageable?
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Owen Jenkins
ā¢Monthly payments towards quarterly tax obligations are definitely doable and often more manageable for people with executive functioning challenges. I recommend setting up an automatic transfer to a separate "tax account" on a monthly basis. The IRS just wants their quarterly payments received on time - they don't care how you save for them. Another approach that helps many of my clients is having a tax professional set up automatic reminders and check-ins. The most important thing is creating a system that doesn't rely on memory or executive function. Payment plans with automatic drafts can also be very helpful if needed in the future.
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Lilah Brooks
Make sure your brother's living situation is clearly documented when submitting the OIC. If he's living with your parents without paying rent, the IRS might assign "housing value" as income. You'll need to explain if this is a temporary hardship arrangement or if there are caregiving responsibilities involved. Also, does he qualify for any assistance programs based on his income level? Participation in certain assistance programs can strengthen a hardship claim.
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Jackson Carter
ā¢This is a great point. When I submitted my OIC, the IRS initially rejected it because they calculated "imputed income" for my housing situation since I was staying with family. I had to resubmit with documentation showing the arrangement was temporary due to financial hardship.
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Molly Chambers
ā¢Thank you for pointing this out! He actually does help care for our parents occasionally, so I'll make sure to document that as part of the living arrangement. He doesn't currently receive any assistance programs but may qualify for some based on income. Would applying for those programs before submitting the OIC be beneficial? Or would that potentially complicate matters?
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