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Getting back to the original question about tax code changes - I'd eliminate the married filing separately status entirely. It's almost always worse than filing jointly, and in the rare cases where it's beneficial, it creates massive complexity. Just have single, married, and head of household. Also, can we PLEASE standardize the definition of "child" across all tax provisions? The different age requirements for dependents vs. child tax credit vs. EIC vs. head of household status make my brain hurt.
The married filing separately thing is interesting! I've rarely seen cases where it's beneficial. But what about separated couples who aren't legally divorced yet? Would you have some exception for them?
Good point about separated couples! I'd create a simple "legally separated" status that would essentially treat them as single filers. The current system with MFS is just too punitive with all its limitations and phase-outs. The problem is that MFS was designed to prevent gaming the system, but it's become so restrictive that it actually creates unfair outcomes for people in difficult situations, like those separating or dealing with a spouse who won't cooperate on taxes. A better-designed single status for separated individuals would be much more straightforward.
What about simplifying capital gains? I have to track basis for every stock purchase separately and it's a nightmare. Why not just let me use average cost basis for everything? And why do we have to track wash sales manually? The brokerages already report everything to the IRS anyway!
Another option to consider for your situation is setting up an IRS Online Account if you haven't already. I did this last year and it's been super helpful. You can: 1. View all payments you've made regardless of method (check, Direct Pay, etc.) 2. See if payments have been correctly applied to your account 3. Make payments directly through the account interface 4. Check if you have any unexpected penalties It takes a bit to verify your identity when setting it up (you'll need ID and possibly a credit card for verification), but it's worth it for the peace of mind of seeing everything in one place.
I tried setting up an IRS online account but got stuck at the ID verification part. It kept rejecting my driver's license photo. Any tips on getting past that?
I had the same issue with the ID verification initially. Make sure you're taking the photo in good lighting with no glare on your ID. Also, they're really strict about the photo quality - I had to use a different device with a better camera. If that still doesn't work, they offer an alternative verification process through ID.me that some people find easier. You can also request a mail verification code if the digital methods aren't working. It takes longer but it's more reliable if you're having technical issues with the photo verification.
Just want to clarify something that hasn't been mentioned - if you decide to pay everything at once through Direct Pay instead of doing quarterly payments, make sure you check if you'll still owe estimated taxes for next year too! If you're paying a lot this year, you might be required to make estimated payments next year as well. The IRS generally expects you to pay taxes as you earn income, not just once a year. I learned this the hard way - paid my entire tax bill in one go, then got hit with an underpayment penalty the next year because I didn't realize I needed to make quarterly estimated payments going forward.
This is a really important point. How do you know if you need to make estimated payments for next year? Is there some threshold?
Have your client look into the First Time Penalty Abatement program! If they haven't had any penalties in the previous 3 years, they might qualify to have the failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties removed for one tax year. This won't help with the actual tax or interest, but the penalties can add up to 25% of the original tax amount, so it's worth exploring. Typically, the IRS applies it to the earliest tax year that qualifies. Also, make sure they stay compliant going forward. Getting on a payment plan means they need to file and pay all future taxes on time, or the payment agreement will default.
Does First Time Penalty Abatement work if you have multiple years unfiled? I thought it was only for a single mistake, not years of non-compliance.
First Time Penalty Abatement only applies to one tax year, but even with multiple years unfiled, they can still qualify if they didn't have any penalties in the three years before the earliest unfiled year. So if 2021 is their earliest unfiled year, they'd need a clean compliance history for 2018-2020. You're right that it's designed for isolated mistakes rather than patterns of non-compliance, but the IRS often still grants it for the first year in a multi-year situation. The remaining years wouldn't qualify for first-time abatement, but might qualify under other reasonable cause arguments depending on the circumstances.
Make sure to warn your client that they'll need to stay SUPER on top of their estimated tax payments going forward! The IRS is much less forgiving with payment plans if you keep adding new tax debt on top of the old. I recommend having them set up a separate savings account just for taxes and automatically transfer 30% of each payment they receive. This was a game-changer for me after getting caught in a similar situation.
Don't forget that having a baby will change your tax situation significantly! With your income levels, you'll qualify for the Child Tax Credit which is worth up to $2,000 per child. Make sure you account for this when adjusting your W-4. You can claim this credit directly on your W-4 in Step 3. Since you're having the baby this year, you'll get the full credit for 2025 taxes. This will effectively reduce the amount you need to withhold. Also, check if your employers offer Dependent Care FSAs - you can put up to $5,000 pre-tax toward childcare expenses, which could save you an additional $1,100+ in taxes depending on your bracket.
Thank you for mentioning this! With the baby coming next month, I completely forgot to factor in how that would affect our taxes next year. Would you recommend we split the $2,000 child tax credit between both our W-4 forms or put the full amount on just one of our forms? Also, do you know if we qualify for the child care tax credit as well as the dependent care FSA? Or can we only use one of those options?
You can put the full $2,000 on just one W-4 form, or split it between both - the end result will be the same. Just make sure you don't claim it on both forms (which would incorrectly double-count the credit). Regarding the child care tax credit vs. dependent care FSA: You can potentially use both, but there's an important limitation. The expenses you pay through the FSA cannot also be used for the child care credit - no "double dipping." Usually, with your income level, the FSA is more beneficial because it reduces your taxable income directly. The child care credit percentage is reduced at higher income levels, making the FSA more valuable for most dual-income professional couples.
I think everyone is missing an important point - the OP and spouse have similar incomes around $130k each, so their combined income is pushing $260k. At that level, they're getting hit with higher marginal tax rates that the W-4 calculator doesn't always handle well for dual-income couples. Another factor to consider is whether you're maxing out your 401k contributions. If not, increasing those contributions would reduce your taxable income and potentially lower your tax bill significantly. At your income level, each of you could contribute up to $23,000 (2024 limit), potentially saving thousands in taxes while building retirement savings.
This is spot on. My wife and I have almost identical incomes to the OP, and increasing our 401k contributions made a huge difference. We each increased from 10% to 15% contributions and it dropped our tax bill by almost $3,000. Plus that money is growing tax-deferred instead of going to the IRS. Also worth noting that at their income level, they might be close to the phase-out range for some tax benefits once the baby arrives, so tax planning becomes even more important.
Fatima Al-Qasimi
For those struggling with stock gains and quarterly payments, I've been using a simple approach that's worked well for me. After each quarter where I have significant realized gains, I calculate roughly what I'll owe (using my marginal tax rate) and make a payment for just that quarter's activity. It's not perfect, but it keeps me from falling too far behind. I use the IRS Direct Pay website and it's pretty painless once you get used to it.
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StarStrider
ā¢Do you ever find yourself overpaying with this method? I'm worried about giving the IRS an interest-free loan if I calculate too conservatively.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
ā¢I do sometimes end up overpaying slightly, but I personally prefer that to underpaying and facing penalties. In years when I've overpaid, I just apply the refund to next year's estimated payments. If you're concerned about overpaying, you might want to be more precise in your calculations. I typically use a rough estimate of my marginal rate plus state taxes (about 35% in my case), but you could use tax software to run a more accurate projection after each significant trade to get closer to the exact amount.
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Dylan Campbell
Does anyone know if you can adjust your quarterly payments throughout the year? Like if I make a huge gain in Q3 but nothing in Q1 and Q2, do I have to somehow go back and fix earlier quarters or can I just make a larger payment for Q3?
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Sofia Torres
ā¢The quarterly tax system is technically "pay as you go," so each payment should reflect your income for that quarter. If you have minimal gains in early quarters and then a big gain later, you would make a larger payment for the quarter when you had the gain. You don't need to retroactively adjust earlier quarters.
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