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Jamal Carter

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One tax benefit of holding companies nobody's mentioned yet is asset protection. I put my three rental properties into an LLC that's owned by my holding company. Now if a tenant sues for one property, they can't go after the other properties or my personal assets. The tax benefits were secondary for me - being able to deduct more management expenses was nice but the asset protection was the real win. Just make sure you're actually running it like a real company with separate accounts and proper documentation.

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But don't you get hit with franchise taxes in most states when you set up those LLCs? I heard California charges $800 minimum per LLC, so with multiple properties that adds up fast. Are the tax benefits really worth those extra costs?

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Jamal Carter

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You're right about the franchise taxes - they definitely cut into the benefits. In California it's $800 per LLC which is painful, but I'm in Tennessee where the annual fee is much lower ($300). For me, the math still works out when I consider both the tax advantages and the asset protection. I'm able to legitimately deduct more business expenses through the holding company structure, including a portion of travel related to property management, home office expenses, and administrative costs that were harder to claim as an individual investor.

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Mei Liu

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Has anyone looked into how the qualified business income deduction (Section 199A) works with holding companies? I've heard conflicting things - some say you lose the 20% deduction with certain holding company structures, others say you can actually maximize it. I'm currently making about $310k from my consulting business and I'm right at the phase-out threshold for the QBI deduction.

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Mateo Perez

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This is a great question about QBI and holding companies. The Section 199A deduction can be tricky with holding companies because certain structures might limit your ability to claim it. If your holding company is classified as a specified service trade or business (SSTB) and your income is above the threshold (which at $310k, yours is), you'll face limitations. However, a properly structured holding company might allow you to separate SSTB income from non-SSTB income, potentially preserving some of the QBI deduction.

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I think everyone's missing something important here. When your friend got a mortgage, the bank 100% would have wanted to know where that down payment came from. They typically want to see bank statements showing the source of funds. If he just deposited crypto proceeds without explanation, the bank would have flagged this during underwriting. Either he lied to the mortgage company (which is mortgage fraud) or he disclosed it was crypto proceeds, in which case there's a paper trail the IRS could potentially follow. Banks file suspicious activity reports for large unexplained deposits.

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Ayla Kumar

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you think the mortgage company would report that information directly to the IRS though? Or would they only discover it if they specifically investigated him for some reason?

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Mortgage companies don't routinely report down payment sources directly to the IRS - that's not their job. However, they do file what's called a Mortgage Interest Statement (Form 1098) that shows the IRS your friend bought a property. If the IRS ever decides to audit your friend, they'd look at his income versus his expenses and assets. A $50K down payment that doesn't align with reported income would raise immediate questions. The IRS could then subpoena the mortgage application documents, which would reveal the source of funds. It's not about the mortgage company reporting him - it's about the paper trail created during the mortgage process that could be discovered during an audit. The bigger issue is your friend deliberately hiding taxable income, which has no statute of limitations for fraud.

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Xan Dae

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Your friend is playing a dangerous game called "audit roulette." Yes, the IRS is understaffed, but they've been massively increasing resources for crypto enforcement. I made a similar mistake in 2018 - sold about $30k of Bitcoin and didn't report it. Thought I was safe because I used a small exchange. Two years later, I got a CP2000 notice showing they knew exactly what I'd done. Had to pay the original tax plus 20% accuracy penalty and interest. The IRS is working with blockchain analytics companies to trace transactions. They can also see bank deposits that don't match reported income. The smart move is to file an amended return ASAP - coming forward voluntarily looks WAY better than getting caught.

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What was the small exchange you used? Was it US-based? I'm wondering if offshore exchanges report to the IRS too or if they're safer.

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Just wanted to add something important that nobody has mentioned yet. If you do file late and end up owing money, you might want to look into an IRS payment plan. They'll usually work with you, especially if you've been filing and paying on time since then. The online payment agreement on IRS.gov is pretty easy to set up. Also, definitely keep copies of EVERYTHING - your wage transcript, the Form 4852, any communications with the IRS, and your filed return. You might need to reference them later, especially if questions come up about that tax year.

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Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know if setting up a payment plan affects your credit score? And is there a minimum amount I have to pay monthly or can I set it to whatever I can afford?

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Setting up an IRS payment plan generally doesn't directly affect your credit score - the IRS doesn't report to credit bureaus like a normal lender would. However, if you fail to pay and the IRS files a tax lien, that WILL hurt your credit. So the payment plan actually helps protect your credit by preventing more serious collection actions. For monthly payment amounts, it depends on how much you owe. For debts under $10,000, you can pretty much set your own monthly payment as long as you can pay off the full amount within 3 years. For larger amounts, the IRS may want financial information to determine what you can afford. They're surprisingly reasonable about this - they'd rather get paid slowly than not at all.

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Paolo Marino

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned checking your Social Security earnings record! Go to ssa.gov and create an account if you don't have one. Your earnings history will show how much was reported to Social Security for each year, including 2017. It won't have tax withholding info, but at least you'll know the total wages that were reported for you that year. That can be super helpful when filling out Form 4852.

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Amina Bah

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This is actually brilliant advice. I had a similar situation (though not as old) and the Social Security earnings record was spot on. Combined with the IRS transcript it gave me everything I needed!

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Have you thought about just ignoring what the calculator says and using the Multiple Jobs Worksheet included with the W4 form? I've found it to be more consistent than the online calculator. Since you're single with one job and take the standard deduction, it should be pretty straightforward to fill out. Also, be aware that the W4 changed dramatically a few years back - they eliminated allowances completely. If you haven't filled one out since your job 6 years ago, it's going to look very different.

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Yuki Tanaka

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I didn't even realize there was a worksheet! I'll definitely look into that option. And yeah, the new form looks completely different from what I remember filing years ago - the elimination of allowances really threw me off. Thanks for the pointer about the worksheet!

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Happy to help! The worksheet is actually on page 3 of the W4 form PDF from the IRS website. It's pretty user-friendly for simple situations like yours. Just be sure you're using the 2025 version of the form since they adjust the numbers slightly each year. Another tip: after you submit your W4, check your first couple of paystubs carefully to make sure the withholding looks reasonable. If it seems way off, you can always submit a new W4 to adjust. Most payroll systems let you update it anytime.

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PixelWarrior

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Am I the only one who just puts "0" for everything and gets a fat refund every year? I know it's like giving the government an interest-free loan but honestly it feels great getting that big chunk of money back in March. It's like forced savings for me lol.

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Amara Adebayo

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That's actually not how the new W4 works anymore. There's no place to put "0" since they eliminated allowances in 2020. The form is completely different now. You'd need to add an additional amount to be withheld on line 4(c) if you want extra withholding.

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Emily Parker

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Check with your employer if they can provide you with a letter stating that the move was necessary for your job. Sometimes even though you can't deduct the expenses directly with Form 3853 anymore, you might qualify for other deductions if the move directly relates to your business or employment activities. Also, keep all your receipts organized just in case the tax laws change again. There's been some talk about possibly bringing back some of these deductions in future tax years.

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Noah Torres

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My employer actually did give me a letter saying the move was required for the position! Would that help with any other deductions you know about? And do you think there's any chance they'll bring back the moving expense deduction in time for this tax season?

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Emily Parker

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The letter from your employer could potentially help if any of your expenses could be categorized as unreimbursed employee business expenses. Unfortunately, for most people, these aren't directly deductible either since 2018, but there are exceptions for certain qualified performing artists, fee-basis state or local government officials, and armed forces reservists. As for bringing back the moving expense deduction, it won't happen for this tax season. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions that eliminated this deduction are in effect through 2025. Any changes would likely come after that, when Congress reviews the expiring provisions. So definitely keep your documentation, but don't expect to use Form 3853 as a non-military taxpayer for at least a few more years.

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Ezra Collins

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i had the same issue with form 3853 on turbotax last year!!! try using freetaxusa instead. not sayin theyll let u deduct it (cuz of the tax law change other ppl mentioned) but their interface explains things WAY better than turbotax does and doesnt try to upsell u every 5 mins. also fyi - if ur company required u to move for work and didnt reimburse u, they really should have. most companies will cover relo expenses cuz they know its not tax deductible anymore. might be worth asking ur HR dept if theres any relo assistance even after the fact!

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I second the FreeTaxUSA recommendation! Been using them for years after getting fed up with TurboTax's constant upselling. Much clearer explanations about which forms you can and can't use. They won't be able to magically make Form 3853 available to non-military folks, but at least they'll explain WHY in plain English.

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