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Ayla Kumar

Bought a house using crypto; how will IRS know if nothing saved for taxes?

So my buddy pulled a substantial amount of crypto to make a down payment on his house last year and didn't set aside anything for the tax bill. He's basically like "how would the IRS even know?" which has me worried for him. He moved about $50k worth of crypto to cash first, then withdrew it and used it for the down payment on the house he bought in 2021. The concerning part is he didn't use any of the major crypto exchanges that would automatically report to the IRS. I keep telling him this seems risky, but he's convinced there's no way for the tax authorities to track this. Is he right? Would the IRS ever actually find out about this crypto-to-cash conversion? And if they do discover it, how would they even connect those dots? To be clear, he didn't buy the entire house with crypto - just used it for the down payment. But still, that's a significant taxable event he's ignoring.

This is a really dangerous approach your friend is taking. The IRS has several ways to potentially discover unreported crypto transactions: 1) Banking records show large deposits that don't match reported income - this triggers flags in the system. When buying a house, lenders typically require documentation of where down payment funds originated. 2) The IRS has been heavily investing in blockchain analysis tools specifically designed to trace crypto transactions. Even if he didn't use a major exchange, there's often a trail. 3) Mortgage applications require disclosing asset sources. Lying on these forms is mortgage fraud, which is much more serious than tax evasion alone. If caught, your friend isn't just looking at owing the original tax amount. He'd face penalties, interest, and potentially criminal charges for willful evasion. The IRS can look back several years, and the statute of limitations doesn't even start if you willfully evade taxes. The smart move would be for him to file an amended return ASAP before the IRS comes knocking. Voluntary disclosure can significantly reduce penalties.

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But what if the crypto was held for over a year before selling? Wouldn't it just be taxed at the long-term capital gains rate which is much lower? Also, does the IRS really have the resources to track down everyone who's done this kind of thing?

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Yes, if held for more than a year, the crypto would be taxed at long-term capital gains rates (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on income) rather than ordinary income rates. That's significantly lower for most people, but it's still a tax obligation that needs to be reported. Regarding IRS resources, they've received substantial funding specifically for crypto enforcement. They don't need to catch everyone - they focus on cases where they see red flags like unexplained large deposits or disparities between reported income and visible lifestyle changes (like home purchases). The penalties from the cases they do pursue fund more enforcement actions.

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Kai Santiago

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Lim Wong

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Does that service work for transactions from smaller exchanges or even DEXs? I've got some stuff spread across like 5 different places and tax time is always a nightmare for me.

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Dananyl Lear

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Are you sure this isn't just marketing? How would a website know blockchain transactions belonged to me specifically without KYC info? Seems like it would only help with tracked exchange activity.

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Kai Santiago

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Ana Rusula

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Fidel Carson

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Fidel Carson

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I think everyone's missing something important here. When your friend got a mortgage, the bank 100% would have wanted to know where that down payment came from. They typically want to see bank statements showing the source of funds. If he just deposited crypto proceeds without explanation, the bank would have flagged this during underwriting. Either he lied to the mortgage company (which is mortgage fraud) or he disclosed it was crypto proceeds, in which case there's a paper trail the IRS could potentially follow. Banks file suspicious activity reports for large unexplained deposits.

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Ayla Kumar

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you think the mortgage company would report that information directly to the IRS though? Or would they only discover it if they specifically investigated him for some reason?

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Mortgage companies don't routinely report down payment sources directly to the IRS - that's not their job. However, they do file what's called a Mortgage Interest Statement (Form 1098) that shows the IRS your friend bought a property. If the IRS ever decides to audit your friend, they'd look at his income versus his expenses and assets. A $50K down payment that doesn't align with reported income would raise immediate questions. The IRS could then subpoena the mortgage application documents, which would reveal the source of funds. It's not about the mortgage company reporting him - it's about the paper trail created during the mortgage process that could be discovered during an audit. The bigger issue is your friend deliberately hiding taxable income, which has no statute of limitations for fraud.

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Xan Dae

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Your friend is playing a dangerous game called "audit roulette." Yes, the IRS is understaffed, but they've been massively increasing resources for crypto enforcement. I made a similar mistake in 2018 - sold about $30k of Bitcoin and didn't report it. Thought I was safe because I used a small exchange. Two years later, I got a CP2000 notice showing they knew exactly what I'd done. Had to pay the original tax plus 20% accuracy penalty and interest. The IRS is working with blockchain analytics companies to trace transactions. They can also see bank deposits that don't match reported income. The smart move is to file an amended return ASAP - coming forward voluntarily looks WAY better than getting caught.

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What was the small exchange you used? Was it US-based? I'm wondering if offshore exchanges report to the IRS too or if they're safer.

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