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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you file as Injured Spouse, it can take longer to get your refund. When I filed Injured Spouse last year because my husband had defaulted student loans, our refund took about 11 weeks instead of the usual 3 weeks. Just something to keep in mind if you're counting on getting that money quickly.
Do you know if you can e-file with the injured spouse form or do you have to mail it in? I've heard both things from different people.
You can definitely e-file with Form 8379 (Injured Spouse) included! Most tax software supports this now. I've done it through TurboTax and H&R Block in different years. If you file the injured spouse form with your original tax return, it processes much faster than if you submit it separately after filing. That's probably why you've heard conflicting information - submitting it separately after filing often requires mailing it in and takes much longer.
Something else to consider - if your wife truly has zero income, filing jointly with the injured spouse form is almost always better than filing separately. When my wife wasn't working last year, I ran the numbers both ways and filing separately would have cost us about $4,200 more in taxes!
Just a heads up that you might be able to deduct MORE than just the internet portion related to your 1099 work. Look into the simplified home office deduction if your setup qualifies. You can deduct $5 per square foot up to 300 sq feet ($1,500 max) without needing to calculate separate utilities. The key is having a space used "regularly and exclusively" for business. Doesn't have to be a whole room - could be a dedicated corner or workstation that's ONLY used for your 1099 work.
Wait this is interesting. I thought my tax software said I couldn't take the home office deduction because I don't use the space 100% for work, but maybe I was answering the question wrong? I have a desk area that I ONLY use for work (both W-2 and 1099), but sometimes I use it for my main job and sometimes for my side gig. Would that still qualify?
That's where it gets tricky. The space needs to be used exclusively for business purposes, not for your W-2 job. Using the same desk for both your W-2 employment and 1099 self-employment work technically disqualifies it from the home office deduction. If you could create a separate, dedicated space that you ONLY use for your 1099 work, then you'd qualify. Some people set up a specific corner or section that's exclusively for their self-employment work. But if you're using the same exact workspace for both types of work, the IRS would likely not consider it "exclusive" for business use.
don't forget about your cell phone expenses too! if you're using your personal phone for 1099 work you can deduct a percentage of that cost too. same principle as the internet - figure out what % is for business and deduct that part.
This is good advice but be careful with cell phone deductions. The IRS looks at these carefully. Make sure you have a logical way to calculate the business percentage. I track my business calls/texts in a spreadsheet each month to support my deduction percentage.
Carryback claims are actually a good thing usually! The IRS is probably giving you money back from your 2020 taxes because of pandemic relief provisions. During COVID they changed a bunch of rules retroactively and they're STILL processing all those changes. The delay is totally normal - the IRS has been massively backed up since COVID. My mom just got a similar notice last month about her 2019 taxes and ended up getting an extra $1200 refund she never expected.
Thank you all for the explanations! I called the number on the notice today (took forever to get through) and you were right - it was actually GOOD news. They found I was eligible for some additional pandemic relief I didn't claim and they're sending me $790! Apparently there was some provision about carrying losses back that I qualified for but didn't know about. The agent explained that they're still processing these adjustments from the CARES Act and I just happened to be in this batch. I was so worried they were coming after me for something, but it was actually them giving me money back. What a relief!
That's great news! The IRS isn't always the bad guy (though their communication could definitely use some work). Glad it worked out in your favor!
Check if it's a legitimate notice first - lots of IRS scams going around. Real IRS notices have a notice number (usually CP followed by numbers) in the top right corner and will NEVER ask for gift cards, cryptocurrency or personal info over the phone.
As someone who's worked in payroll compliance for 15 years, I'd recommend documenting everything immediately. Send an email to both your manager and the payroll company expressing your concerns about the W-4 exemption claim at that salary level. Request written clarification on company policy regarding potentially invalid W-4s. This creates a paper trail showing you raised concerns appropriately. If the operations manager pushes back, suggest having your tax professional or payroll provider give a second opinion on whether the exemption claim appears valid. The IRS specifically states that someone making $75K almost certainly has tax liability unless they have massive deductions.
Thanks for this advice. What specifically should I include in this documentation? Should I mention my suspicion that he hasn't filed taxes, or just stick to the facts about the W-4 exemption not seeming appropriate for someone at his income level?
Stick strictly to the facts and avoid speculation about his tax filing history or intentions. Your documentation should focus only on what you directly observe: that an employee making approximately $75,000 has claimed complete exemption from federal tax withholding, which appears unusual and potentially concerning from a compliance perspective. Phrase your concerns as questions rather than accusations. For example: "I noticed our operations manager has claimed exemption from all federal withholding despite having a salary of $75K. Given this income level, I want to confirm this is being handled correctly and that we're following proper procedures for verifying unusual W-4 claims.
Has anyone looked at the "lock-in letter" process? My company went through this last year with an employee who kept claiming excessive exemptions. Eventually the IRS sent us a lock-in letter that specified exactly what withholding rate to use regardless of what the employee put on their W-4. Might be worth checking if your company has already received something like this for this employee. The IRS sends these when they notice patterns of underwithholding. They basically override whatever is on the W-4.
That's a good point! The lock-in letter process shows the IRS definitely monitors these situations. My brother works in HR and said they received one for an employee who had claimed exempt for 3 years while making over 100k. The IRS specified exactly what withholding to use and they weren't allowed to change it without IRS approval.
Ev Luca
I own both an S corp and a C corp (different businesses) and have dealt with compensation issues for both. Here's my practical experience: For my S corp, I make sure to pay myself a salary in line with industry standards before taking any distributions. I use the Department of Labor stats for my area and profession as a guide. For my C corp, I actually do the opposite math. Since dividends are taxed twice (corporate level and then personal), I generally want to take more salary (which is deductible to the corporation) and fewer dividends. But the salary still needs to be "reasonable" - too high and it could be reclassified as dividends. The key is documentation. Whatever you decide for either entity type, document WHY your compensation is reasonable with market research, job descriptions, hours worked, etc.
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Avery Davis
ā¢How exactly do you document this? Do you just keep records in case of an audit, or do you need to file something special with your tax returns showing your justification?
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Ev Luca
ā¢I keep detailed internal records rather than filing additional documents with tax returns. My documentation includes industry compensation surveys for similar positions, a detailed job description outlining all my responsibilities, logs of hours worked in various capacities, and board meeting minutes approving my compensation with reference to these factors. I also maintain records of my professional qualifications, training, and unique skills that justify my compensation level. In my S corp, I document dividend distributions separately, making it clear they're not disguised salary. For my C corp, I document why my salary is appropriate for my role and not artificially inflated to avoid dividend taxation.
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Collins Angel
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that the "reasonable compensation" standard comes from different parts of the tax code for S corps vs C corps! For S corps, it comes from employment tax regulations - basically saying you can't avoid payroll taxes by taking distributions instead of salary. For C corps, it comes from Code Section 162 about "ordinary and necessary" business expenses - meaning the corporation can't deduct excessive compensation as a business expense. So while both entity types have to deal with reasonable compensation, they're actually based on different legal foundations, which is why the enforcement focuses on different issues (too low for S corps, too high for C corps).
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Marcelle Drum
ā¢That's really interesting! So theoretically, could a C corp owner take a very low salary (or no salary) and just dividends, and be technically compliant with the tax code? Would there be any other issues with doing that besides the obvious double taxation problem?
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