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Make sure you also contact Square ASAP to get your name removed from the account! I had a similar issue with a Shopify account I helped set up. You need to: 1. Get written confirmation from Square that you were just the setup person 2. Have the actual business owner add themselves as the account owner 3. Remove yourself completely from the account 4. Get documentation of when this change was made This won't fix your current tax issue but will prevent it from happening again next year!
Should I do this before or after talking to the IRS? I'm worried about making any changes that might look suspicious.
You can do both simultaneously. Changing the account ownership now doesn't affect the documentation for the previous year's issue. The IRS is concerned with who actually received the money during the tax year in question. By updating the Square account now, you're just preventing future problems. Make sure to document the process of changing ownership though. Get emails or letters from Square confirming when your name was on the account and when it was removed. This actually helps your case by showing you're taking active steps to correct the situation.
has ne1 tried jst ignoring these notices? i got one for doordash income that wasnt mine but my roommate used my address. been 5 months and nothing happened yet.
I strongly advise against ignoring IRS notices. They don't just go away. The IRS has a multi-step collection process that escalates over time: 1. Initial notice (what you received) 2. Follow-up notices with increasing urgency 3. Assessment of penalties and interest (growing daily) 4. Potential tax liens on property 5. Potential levy of assets or wages Sometimes there's a delay between steps due to IRS backlog, which might explain your 5 months of silence, but the issue is still active in their system. It's much better to address it proactively than to wait until they escalate to more severe collection activities.
I've been employing my kids in my business for a few years now. Here's what I do: I use Wave (wavapps.com) for free basic payroll tracking. It doesn't file the forms for you, but it's great for keeping records. For actually filing, I use the free IRS resources and just do it manually once a year - it's not that complicated for just one employee who's your child. Make sure you keep meticulous records of hours worked and tasks performed. Take photos of your kid actually doing the work occasionally. Have a written job description. The tax benefits are great, but you need good documentation in case of an audit.
Do you pay your kid weekly or monthly? And do you need to do any quarterly filings with this approach?
I pay my kids bi-weekly to establish a regular pattern (looks more legitimate to the IRS). You will need to do quarterly 941 filings even though you're exempt from some taxes, but the form is pretty simple when you're just reporting one employee with FICA exemptions. You'll also need to do annual FUTA (form 940) filing, though you're exempt from paying federal unemployment tax when it's your child under 21. The first year takes a bit of learning, but after that it becomes pretty routine. The tax savings make it worthwhile - you're essentially shifting income from your tax bracket to your child's (likely 0%) bracket.
Has anyone actually calculated the true tax savings here? Like, is it really worth all this hassle for $1900 of wages? You're saving some self-employment taxes but creating a lot of paperwork.
I did the math when I hired my daughter. For a sole proprietor in the 22% federal bracket plus self-employment taxes, paying your child $2000 can save around $600-700 in taxes. Plus there are non-tax benefits - teaching your kid about work, responsibility, and money management. My daughter loves having her own money and learning about saving/investing.
Something similar happened to my brother last year. He withdrew about $30k from his IRA for medical expenses but didn't properly document that the expenses exceeded the 7.5% AGI threshold. The one thing that helped him was filing an amended return with Form 5329 and including detailed documentation of all medical expenses. The IRS ended up reducing his penalty by about 60% after review. The key was providing extremely detailed documentation - itemized medical bills, proof of payment, and a clear calculation showing how much exceeded the 7.5% threshold. One tip: if you go this route, send everything via certified mail and keep copies of absolutely everything. The IRS lost his first submission and having proof of mailing saved him from missing deadlines.
Did your brother handle this himself or use a tax professional? I'm in a similar situation but wondering if I need to hire someone.
He started the process himself but ended up hiring a tax professional halfway through because the IRS started asking for additional documentation he wasn't sure how to provide. It cost him about $800 for the tax pro, but considering it saved him several thousand in penalties, it was worth it. If your case is relatively straightforward and you're comfortable with tax forms, you might be able to handle it yourself. But in my brother's experience, having a professional who knew exactly what supporting documents to include and how to present the case to the IRS made a significant difference in the outcome. The tax pro also knew which specific medical expenses would qualify and how to properly document them to meet IRS requirements.
Quick tip from someone who works in retirement planning: Get a Letter of Explanation from your IRA custodian that details why they approved the hardship withdrawal. While this won't guarantee penalty exemption, it can support your reasonable cause argument with the IRS. Also, if any portion of your withdrawal was used for medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of AGI, immediate purchase of your primary residence (up to $10k), higher education expenses, or health insurance premiums while unemployed, be sure to document those specifically. The hardship criteria for employer plans like 401(k)s are different from IRA exceptions. Many people confuse these rules!
Thanks for this insight. Do you think there's any chance the IRS would consider a full abatement of the penalty? I'm really struggling financially and this penalty is going to put me in an even worse situation.
Full abatement is rare but not impossible. The IRS does have authority to provide relief in cases of exceptional circumstances. Your best approach would be to: 1) Request abatement based on reasonable cause, clearly documenting why you believed the withdrawal qualified for exception (any advice you received, confusion between 401(k) and IRA rules, etc.) 2) Request abatement based on financial hardship by completing Form 433-F (Collection Information Statement) to demonstrate your current financial situation and inability to pay. If you're already in a difficult financial position, also look into the IRS payment plan options or Offer in Compromise program. Even if they don't waive the penalty entirely, you might be able to settle for a reduced amount or spread payments over time. Document everything thoroughly - the more evidence you provide of both your reasonable belief that the withdrawal was exempt and your current financial hardship, the better your chances.
I'd just suggest checking what kind of CPA you're hiring. Not all CPAs specialize in individual taxes. I hired one last year who mainly did corporate taxes and he missed some pretty basic deductions that I caught myself later. Ask specifically about their experience with side businesses and home purchases. Also, see if you can find someone who offers year-round tax planning, not just tax preparation. The really good ones will help you make decisions throughout the year to optimize your tax situation for next year too.
That's a great point about specialization. Do you think it's better to find someone who focuses on small businesses since I have the side gig income? Or would a general personal tax CPA be sufficient?
For your situation with both personal tax events (home purchase, 401k distribution) and a side business, I'd look for a CPA who specializes in individual taxes but has experience with small business owners or self-employed individuals. A good way to gauge this is to ask them specific questions about home office deductions and qualified business income deductions. If they give you detailed, clear answers rather than generalities, that's usually a good sign they have the right expertise for your situation.
Honestly, for what you described, you're in the sweet spot where a CPA is probably worth it THIS year, but you might be able to DIY again in future years. The first year with a house and business has lots of new tax situations that a CPA can help optimize, but once those are set up correctly, you might be able to follow the same patterns yourself. I did exactly this - paid for a CPA when my taxes got complicated, took detailed notes on what they did, and then used that knowledge to DIY the next year when my situation was stable.
StarSeeker
One important thing to note - Form 2106 is now ONLY for armed forces reservists, qualified performing artists, fee-basis state or local government officials, and employees with impairment-related work expenses. If you don't fall into one of these categories, then it definitely shouldn't be on your return. The 2017 tax law (Tax Cuts and Jobs Act) eliminated miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% floor, which included unreimbursed employee expenses for most people. That's why it's a red flag if that form is there and you don't fit those special categories.
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Malik Johnson
β’Thank you for this info! I definitely don't fall into any of those categories. I'm just a regular employee at a marketing company. This confirms the form shouldn't be there. I'll call my tax preparer tomorrow to get this fixed.
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StarSeeker
β’You're welcome! When you call your preparer, just be very clear that you understand Form 2106 is only for those specific categories of workers after the TCJA changes in 2017. Sometimes preparers are using outdated knowledge or software templates. Also, make sure they know they need to file a Form 1040-X (Amended Return) to correct this issue - not just "remove it from their system" since the return has already been submitted. Good luck!
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Sean O'Donnell
Has your refund already been issued? If not, you might be able to file a superseding return instead of an amended return if you're still within the filing deadline. A superseding return replaces your original return completely and is treated as if it was the original filing.
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Zara Ahmed
β’This is actually really good advice. Superseding returns are less well-known but can be much simpler than amendments in many cases. You just need to file before the due date (including extensions).
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