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Just want to add that if the person absolutely refuses to provide their SSN and you still pay them anyway, YOUR ORGANIZATION will be responsible for the backup withholding (24% of what you paid them). And the IRS can assess penalties for failure to obtain a W-9!!! I learned this the hard way with our arts nonprofit. We were fined $250 per missing W-9 during an audit. Plus we had to pay the backup withholding we should have collected. Totaly wiped out our small reserve fund.
Were you able to appeal those penalties? I've heard the IRS sometimes waives them for first-time offenses, especially for small nonprofits. Our organization is tiny and a fine like that would be devastating.
We did try to appeal but were only successful in getting about half the penalties reduced. The IRS agent said they could have been much higher (up to $1,000 per instance for intentional disregard). The reason we got any reduction was because we could show we had attempted to get the W-9s and had some documentation of our efforts. My advice is don't risk it at all. Either get the W-9 completed, do the backup withholding correctly, or don't pay them more than $599 in a calendar year. The potential consequences just aren't worth the risk for small nonprofits operating on tight margins.
Based on my experience with our local community center's nonprofit, I'd strongly recommend being very clear with your media person about why you need their SSN and what protections are in place. Many people don't realize that the W-9 form they're completing stays with your organization - it's not sent to the IRS. You might also explain that this is a standard business practice for any organization paying contractors over $600, not just nonprofits. Sometimes framing it as "this is what every business does" rather than "the IRS requires this" makes people more comfortable. If they're still hesitant, you could offer to show them your organization's data security policies or explain how you store and protect sensitive information. We found that transparency about our processes helped reluctant contractors feel more confident about sharing their information. One last suggestion - if the promotional work might extend beyond this year, make sure you're tracking payments by calendar year, not by project. You could potentially split the work across two calendar years to stay under the $600 threshold if that makes sense for your timeline.
This is really helpful advice! I especially like the suggestion about explaining that the W-9 stays with our organization and isn't sent to the IRS. I think a lot of people don't realize that distinction and assume their personal information is going directly to the government. The idea about splitting payments across calendar years is clever too - we hadn't considered that approach. Since our concert is planned for summer, we could potentially do some of the promotional work this year and some early next year if the person is still uncomfortable providing their SSN. Do you happen to know if there are any specific requirements about how we need to store and protect W-9 forms? Our board has been asking about our data security responsibilities and I want to make sure we're handling this correctly from a privacy standpoint as well as a tax compliance one.
This is such a common confusion for people with gambling activities! I went through the exact same thing a couple years ago when I had a big win early in the year but ended up net negative overall. Just to clarify what others have said - you absolutely must report that full $425,000 as income regardless of your net loss. It's counterintuitive but that's how the tax code works. The W2-G triggers the reporting requirement. One thing I'd add is make sure you understand the "session" vs "annual" reporting difference. Some people think they can net wins and losses within the same day or session, but that's not how it works for tax purposes. Every individual win over the reporting threshold gets reported as income. Also, since you're dealing with such large amounts, you might want to consider making estimated tax payments if you haven't already. Even if you plan to deduct the losses, you could face underpayment penalties if you don't have enough withholding to cover the tax on that $425k. Have you calculated whether itemizing (to claim the gambling losses) would actually be better than the standard deduction in your case? With losses that large, it probably makes sense, but worth running the numbers both ways.
This is really helpful context about the "session" vs "annual" reporting - I didn't realize you couldn't net wins and losses within the same gambling session for tax purposes. That seems like it could create some weird situations where you have multiple small wins and losses throughout a day. Regarding estimated payments, that's a great point I hadn't considered. Even though I ended up with a net loss for the year, I should probably make estimated payments on that $425k to avoid penalties, right? Then when I file my return and claim the gambling loss deductions, I'd get a refund for the overpayment? I did run the numbers and itemizing definitely makes sense in my case - my gambling losses alone would be way more than the standard deduction, plus I have some other itemizable expenses. Just want to make sure I'm not missing any other gotchas with this situation.
I've been dealing with gambling tax issues for years and wanted to share a few additional tips that might help: First, regarding your question about reporting both the W2-G amount AND the additional winnings - you only report what's on your W2-G forms as income. The additional $1,179,649 you mentioned doesn't get reported separately as income since you didn't receive tax documents for those amounts. However, when calculating your gambling loss deduction (if you itemize), you can include ALL your losses for the year - not just losses related to the W2-G activity. So your total gambling losses of $425,000+ can be deducted against your total gambling winnings. A couple of important things to remember: - Keep ALL your records - win/loss statements, receipts, bank records showing deposits/withdrawals to gambling accounts, travel expenses if you went to casinos, etc. - The IRS considers gambling losses to include not just the money you lost betting, but also expenses directly related to your gambling activities - If you do get audited, they'll want to see detailed records that support both your winnings AND your losses Given the amounts involved here, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with gambling taxation. The rules can be tricky and the stakes are high enough that professional guidance would be worth the cost.
Has anyone else noticed that the IRS seems to be using multiple addresses in Kansas City? My 1099-INT from last year had a different address than what people are posting here. I think they have multiple facilities.
Yep, they definitely have multiple addresses. The main processing center is at Pershing Road, but they also have operations at 33 W. 11th Street in KC, and some specialized divisions at other locations. Depending on which department issued your 1099-INT, it might have come from a different physical location.
This is such a common issue! I had the exact same problem last year and it drove me crazy. The address format that finally worked for me was: Department of the Treasury - Internal Revenue Service 333 W. Pershing Road Kansas City, MO 64108 Some tax software is really picky about how you format government addresses. If that doesn't work, try shortening it to just "Internal Revenue Service" on the first line. The key is making sure you have the full 9-digit ZIP code (64108-2203 or 64108-2223 depending on which division issued your form). Also, double-check that you're entering the payer information exactly as it appears on your 1099-INT form. Sometimes there are subtle differences in how the Treasury Department vs. IRS is listed that can cause e-filing rejections. Hope this helps and you can get your taxes submitted soon!
This is really helpful! I'm actually dealing with this exact issue right now and it's been so frustrating. I've been going back and forth with my tax software for hours. Quick question - how do you know which 9-digit ZIP code to use? My 1099-INT just shows "Kansas City, MO" without any ZIP code at all. Is there a way to figure out if it should be 64108-2203 or 64108-2223? I don't want to guess wrong and have my e-filing get rejected again. Also, when you say "exactly as it appears on the form" - mine says "DEPT OF TREASURY INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE" all in caps. Should I enter it exactly like that, or is it okay to use normal capitalization?
One thing to consider - if your partnership has unamortized organizational costs or start-up expenses that haven't been fully deducted yet, the final year is when you get to write off any remaining amounts. Make sure you don't miss this deduction on your final return! Also, don't forget to file Form 8308 if you had any sales or exchanges of partnership interests during the final year leading up to dissolution. That's another form that's easily overlooked in the dissolution process.
Thanks for mentioning this! We do have some remaining organizational costs that haven't been fully amortized. I almost forgot about writing those off completely in the final year. Any specific line where this should be reported?
You'll report the write-off of remaining organizational costs on Form 1065 Schedule K, line 13 as "Other deductions" with code I for "Section 709 expenses." Make sure to attach a statement detailing the unamortized amount being written off. On each partner's Schedule K-1, it will also be reported on line 13 with the same code I. The amount should be allocated to partners based on their profit-sharing percentages unless your partnership agreement specifies a different allocation method for these types of expenses.
Great discussion everyone! I wanted to add a few practical tips from my experience handling partnership dissolutions: 1. **Documentation is key** - Keep detailed records of all final distributions and asset transfers. The IRS may ask for supporting documentation even years later. 2. **Partner capital account reconciliation** - Make sure each partner's Schedule K-1 capital account analysis (Part III) properly shows how their account went from the beginning balance to zero through final distributions and allocations. 3. **State filing considerations** - Don't forget that most states also require a final partnership return, and some have different requirements than the federal return for what constitutes a "final" filing. 4. **EIN closure** - After filing your final 1065, remember to officially close the partnership's EIN with the IRS by sending a letter stating the partnership has been dissolved and the final return filed. The zero balance requirement on Schedule L for final returns is definitely correct - it's one of those things that seems counterintuitive but makes perfect sense when you think about what "final" actually means from a tax perspective.
This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about EIN closure! I had no idea you needed to send a separate letter to officially close the EIN after filing the final return. Is there a specific IRS address or department this letter should be sent to, or can it be done online? Also, do you know if there's a time limit for when this needs to be done after filing the final 1065?
Liam Sullivan
I've been following this thread and wanted to add another perspective that might help. I'm a tax preparer and see situations like this all the time since the TCJA changes. One approach that's sometimes overlooked is negotiating for your employer to cover this as a "business travel" expense rather than relocation. If your assignment is truly temporary (sounds like 14 months qualifies), and you're maintaining your primary residence in Dallas, there might be ways to structure this differently. Some companies will pay for extended stay hotels or corporate housing for long-term assignments, which they can deduct as business expenses. This might be easier for them to approve than direct cash reimbursements. You could also explore whether they'd be willing to book and pay for the housing directly rather than reimbursing you. Another angle: if you're going to be managing other employees on this project, you might have some leverage to negotiate better terms. Project managers are expensive to replace mid-stream, especially on critical assignments. Document every conversation about this and keep pushing. The worst they can say is no, but you might be surprised how much companies will budge when faced with the real possibility of losing key people over what amounts to an accounting decision on their end.
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Zainab Abdulrahman
ā¢This is really helpful insight from a tax professional perspective! The distinction between "relocation" vs "business travel" for temporary assignments is something I hadn't considered before. @191ca46ae9ab Do you know if there are specific IRS guidelines about what qualifies as "temporary" vs "permanent" for these purposes? I'm wondering if the 14-month timeframe the original poster mentioned would clearly fall into the temporary category. The corporate housing angle is brilliant - it might be much easier for companies to approve since they can frame it as a standard business expense rather than employee compensation. Plus it removes the whole tax complexity for the employee. I'm curious about your comment on documenting conversations. Are there specific things people should be noting or requesting in writing that might help with negotiations or potential future tax implications?
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Ava Thompson
I'm going through almost the exact same situation right now! My company is relocating me to Denver for 16 months and also pulled the "budget constraints" excuse after initially promising housing support. It's so frustrating how they can just change the terms after you've already committed to the project. What's been helpful for me is treating this like a business negotiation rather than asking for a favor. I put together a one-page summary showing: - The total cost impact ($1700 x 14 months = $23,800) - What it would cost them to recruit and train a replacement if I declined - How this affects my ability to focus on project deliverables vs. financial stress I also found out that our company policy manual has language about "ensuring employee success on critical assignments" which I'm using to support my case. Sometimes there are policies buried in employee handbooks that HR forgets about but will honor if you reference them specifically. Still negotiating, but they've already agreed to cover my flights home twice a month and are "reviewing options" for housing assistance. The key seems to be making it clear that this isn't just about the money - it's about removing barriers to project success. Definitely don't give up on this! Companies hate losing experienced project managers mid-assignment, and $1700/month is nothing compared to what they'd spend on recruitment and training.
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