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Retirement Plan Options: SEP-IRA vs. solo 401k for single member LLC taxed as an S-corp

I established my freelance engineering consulting single-member LLC (taxed as an S-corp) in July 2023. The business has done really well, and I'm trying to figure out the best retirement plan options. Here's how my numbers broke down for 2023: Sales: $405,000 Business Expenses: $67,500 Reasonable Salary: $95,000 Net income: $242,500 From what I can tell, I've missed the deadline to start a solo 401k for 2023 (Dec 31, 2023). Is my best move now to open a SEP-IRA for tax year 2023, then start a solo 401k for 2024 and future years? After going through publication 550 on the IRS website, it looks like my S-Corp could contribute around $23,750 (25% of my compensation) to a SEP-IRA for 2023 since the deadline is March 15th or September 15th with an extension. Anyone have experience with this situation or know if my understanding is correct? Is there anything else I should be considering?

Dumb question maybe, but why are you setting up an S-corp if you're just a single-member LLC? I've heard the tax savings aren't worth the headache until you're making well over $100k profit. Now you've got this whole retirement plan complication too.

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Not a dumb question at all. S-corps can save you a ton on self-employment taxes once you're making decent money. With OP's income ($242,500 net), the savings on Medicare and Social Security taxes alone are significant. If they were a straight LLC/sole prop, they'd pay 15.3% SE tax on almost everything. As an S-corp, they only pay FICA taxes on their "reasonable salary" ($95,000) and the rest ($147,500) is only subject to income tax, not SE tax. That's a savings of about $22,500 in SE taxes! The headaches are worth it at that income level.

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Your analysis looks spot-on! You're absolutely correct about the SEP-IRA being your best option for 2023. Just to reinforce what others have said - with your $95,000 W-2 wages from the S-corp, you can contribute exactly $23,750 to a SEP-IRA (25% of compensation), and you have until March 15th to both establish and fund it. One thing I'd add: make sure you're documenting your "reasonable salary" justification well. The IRS scrutinizes S-corp salaries, especially when the salary seems low relative to distributions. Your $95k salary on $405k in sales might raise eyebrows, so having solid documentation about industry standards for engineering consultants will be important. For 2024, definitely go with the solo 401k - the flexibility is unmatched. You'll be able to contribute up to $69,000 total ($23,000 employee + up to $46,000 employer contribution based on your salary). Just remember to establish it by December 31, 2024, though you have until the tax deadline to actually fund it. Also worth noting: if your income continues to grow, consider bumping your salary a bit in 2024. Higher salary = higher retirement contribution limits, and it might help with IRS reasonableness tests.

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Great question! For engineering consultants, I'd recommend using multiple sources to build a solid documentation package. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Occupational Employment Statistics is the gold standard - look up "Engineering Services" industry data for your specific engineering discipline and geographic area. Robert Half and other major recruiting firms publish annual salary guides that are widely respected. Professional engineering societies like NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) often have salary surveys specific to consulting work. PayScale, Glassdoor, and Salary.com can provide additional data points, though the IRS tends to prefer more formal sources. The key is showing you researched what a W-2 employee doing similar work would earn, then documented your methodology. Also consider factors like years of experience, certifications, geographic location, and specialty area. Keep all your research in a file - print the web pages, save PDFs with dates, and write a brief memo explaining your reasoning. This shows good faith effort if the IRS ever questions your salary level.

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Great question! For engineering consultant salary documentation, I'd recommend using multiple sources to build a solid case. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics is the gold standard - it's government data that the IRS respects. Look up "Engineering Services" (NAICS 541330) for your specific location. Also check out salary surveys from professional organizations like the National Society of Professional Engineers (NSPE) or the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) if applicable to your field. PayScale, Glassdoor, and Salary.com can provide additional market data, especially if you filter by experience level and location. The key is showing you paid yourself what a similar employee would earn doing the same work. Document factors like your years of experience, specialized skills, education, and regional market rates. I'd also keep records of any employee benefits you're NOT getting (health insurance, vacation pay, etc.) since that can sometimes justify a slightly lower base salary. The IRS tends to look for salaries that are at least 40-60% of net income for service businesses, but the real test is "what would you pay someone else to do this work?" Having multiple data sources showing market rates in that range gives you solid ground to stand on.

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Can I use 2022 1099-NEC and 1096 forms for 2023 tax filing or do I need the new forms? Hate wasting leftover forms!

I've got a stack of 1099-NEC and 1096 forms from 2022 that I never used, and I'm wondering if I can just use these for reporting my 2023 contractor payments. Seems wasteful to throw them away and buy new ones when they look pretty much the same to me. I've tried searching online but every result just explains HOW to fill out the forms rather than answering whether I can use last year's versions. Like seriously, I don't need another tutorial on completing the forms - I just want to know if the IRS will accept the 2022 versions for 2023 reporting! I need to send these out soon and don't want to order new forms if I don't have to. Has anyone dealt with this before? Thanks for any help!!

Just wanted to add that if you're filing fewer than 10 1099-NECs, the IRS actually has a free online filing system called the FIRE system (Filing Information Returns Electronically). There's a bit of a learning curve, but once you're set up, it's pretty straightforward.

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I think you're confusing systems. FIRE requires you to apply for a Transmitter Control Code and is more complex. For smaller businesses, the IRS offers the "IRIS" system (Income Reporting Information System) which is more user-friendly for filing small batches of 1099s.

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Thanks for the correction! You're absolutely right - I mixed up the systems. IRIS is definitely the better option for smaller businesses. The application process is much simpler and you don't need all the technical requirements that FIRE has. For someone like the original poster who just needs to file a handful of 1099-NECs, IRIS would be perfect and completely free through the IRS.

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Just to clarify something important that might help others - you absolutely cannot use 2022 forms for 2023 tax year filing. The IRS requires current year forms for all information returns like 1099-NEC and 1096. However, there's good news! You don't need to buy expensive "official" forms anymore. You can download the current 2023 forms directly from the IRS website (irs.gov) and print them on regular white paper as long as they're printed at exactly 100% scale with no adjustments. The IRS scanners can read these just fine. For the 1099-NEC, make sure you're downloading the "Copy A" version for filing with the IRS. The forms are available as fillable PDFs, so you can type directly into them before printing, which makes everything much cleaner and easier to read. This way you can use up those leftover forms for scratch paper and get compliant 2023 forms without spending extra money!

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This is exactly the answer I was looking for! Thank you so much for the clear explanation. I had no idea I could just print the official forms from the IRS website on regular paper. That saves me from having to order new forms and I can finally put those 2022 forms to good use as scratch paper like you suggested. Just to double-check - when you say "Copy A" for the IRS filing, that's different from the copies I send to my contractors, right? I want to make sure I'm downloading the right versions for each purpose.

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How do I file my w-2's as a teenager with my first job?

Title: How do I file my w-2's as a teenager with my first job? 1 I just started my first job at this local ice cream shop last fall and I'm 15 years old, so I'm completely lost when it comes to taxes and stuff. I got my w-2's in the mail last week and honestly have no clue what to do with them. My total earnings were only around $2,300 since I worked part-time after school and on weekends. My parents mentioned something about claiming me as a dependent on their taxes, so does that mean I don't have to do anything with my w-2's? Or am I still supposed to file something myself? This whole adult responsibility thing is confusing lol. Just want to make sure I'm not messing anything up!

22 Make sure you keep a copy of your W-2 even if you don't file! My daughter lost hers and then needed it later for financial aid applications. Also, don't forget to check if you need to file a state tax return - some states have much lower filing thresholds than the federal government.

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7 That's a really good point! Do different states have different rules for teenagers filing? I'm in California if that matters.

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Yes, California does have different rules! For 2024 taxes, California requires filing if you made over $4,803 as a dependent, which is much lower than the federal threshold. Since you made $2,300, you're still under California's requirement too. But like with federal taxes, if California withheld any state income tax from your paychecks (check box 17 on your W-2), you should file to get that money back. California also has free filing options for simple returns like yours.

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Hey Grant! I was in almost the exact same situation when I got my first job at 16 - totally clueless about taxes and panicking about doing something wrong. Don't worry, you're definitely not messing anything up by asking questions! Since you only made $2,300, you're not required to file, but definitely check box 2 on your W-2 to see if any federal taxes were withheld. If there's money there, filing will get you a refund - it's basically free money that's already yours! Even if it's just $20-30, it's worth the experience of going through the process. The key thing to remember is that your parents claiming you as a dependent and you filing your own return are completely separate things. They can still claim you AND you can file to get your withholdings back. For someone with just one W-2 like you, the whole process should take less than an hour using any free tax software. Think of it as good practice for when you'll be required to file in future years. You've got this!

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For free tax software, I'd definitely recommend starting with the IRS Free File program (irs.gov/freefile) - it partners with legitimate tax companies to offer free filing for people who qualify. Since your income is under $79,000, you'll have several good options to choose from. I personally used TurboTax Free Edition for my first filing and found it really user-friendly - it asks questions in plain English and walks you through each step. H&R Block Free Online is another solid choice that's great for beginners. The nice thing about these free versions is they'll import your W-2 information directly if you have a digital copy, or you can just type in the numbers from each box. They'll automatically calculate whether you need to file and how much refund you might get. Just make sure you're using the actual free versions and not accidentally getting upsold to paid features you don't need!

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For free tax software, I'd definitely recommend starting with the IRS Free File program - it's official and completely free for people with simple tax situations like yours. TurboTax Free Edition and H&R Block Free are both good options available through that program. They'll walk you through everything step by step with questions in plain English, and they're designed specifically for situations like yours with just a W-2. Plus they'll automatically check if you qualify for any refunds. The whole process is pretty much just answering yes/no questions and typing in the numbers from your W-2. Super straightforward for a first-timer!

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Do I need to give my tax person more than just the 1099-INT from my mortgage company when filing my return?

So I bought my first house last year and I'm getting ready for tax season. The mortgage company sent me a 1099-INT form, but I'm not sure if that's enough to give to my tax preparer. Should I also be including all my monthly mortgage payment statements? I've got a folder with all the receipts but don't know if they need to see those. I keep hearing from friends and family how homeownership is supposed to give you all these great tax breaks, but honestly last year I didn't see much difference in my refund compared to when I was renting. Am I missing something by only providing the 1099-INT? This whole mortgage interest deduction thing is confusing me!

Dont forget to check if you paid PMI (private mortgage insurance) as well. That used to be deductible too but I think that expired? Anyone know if Congress renewed that deduction for this year?

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PMI deduction expired after 2021 I believe. They keep threatening to bring it back but nothing yet. It's annoying because I'm paying $180/month for PMI that used to at least give me a tax break!

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You're right, unfortunately it hasn't been renewed. I just double-checked and the PMI deduction expired after 2021 tax year. Really hurts those of us who couldn't put 20% down. I was chatting with my lender last week about doing a reappraisal since home values in my area have gone up, which might get me over that 20% equity threshold and eliminate the PMI altogether. Might be worth looking into if you've been in your home a while or values have increased in your area.

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I was in same boat last year! Here's one thing nobody mentioned yet - keeping track of home office expenses if you work from home. That's been a game changer for me tax-wise since my mortgage interest alone wasn't enough to itemize.

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But isn't home office deduction only for self-employed people? I work remotely for a company and my tax person said employees can't deduct home office anymore after the Trump tax changes.

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You're absolutely right Katherine. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated the home office deduction for employees starting in 2018. Only self-employed individuals, independent contractors, and business owners can still claim home office expenses. If you're a W-2 employee working from home, you can't deduct those expenses even if your employer requires you to work remotely. It's one of those frustrating changes that hit a lot of people who started working from home during the pandemic. The only exception would be if you're also doing freelance/contract work on the side from that same home office space.

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IRS Verification: Online vs Phone - Which Method is Actually Faster?

Been trying to verify online for my refund but its taking forever. People in my facebook group are saying calling in is faster for verification. Anyone had any luck either way? Really need this refund and tired of waiting.

lmaooo tried both... still waiting since march. its a joke at this point

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same here bestie... we're all clowns waiting on the IRS ๐Ÿคก

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Online verification through ID.me has been way faster for me personally. Just did mine last week and it took about 15 minutes total once I had all my docs ready (driver's license, SSN card, and last year's tax return). The key is making sure your photos are clear and you have good lighting. Phone lines are absolutely brutal right now - my sister waited 5 hours just to get disconnected. Save yourself the headache and go online!

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