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Fiona Gallagher

Proper use of EINs for disregarded entities on W-9 forms - tax compliance question

I work in compliance at a regional bank and I'm completely puzzled by something I'm seeing with W-9 forms from a business client. They're providing W-9s where they've listed disregarded entities, but then they've typed in the disregarded entity's EIN right next to it. Then they're insisting I use that disregarded entity EIN for all my documentation instead of the parent EIN shown in Part II of the form. This seems weird to me since I've always understood that we should use the parent EIN along with the disregarded entity name. My understanding was that the parent doesn't want to absorb the taxes of the disregarded entity, but they still need to represent that entity name. What confuses me is why they're still using the disregarded entity's TIN but under the parent's W-9. What's the tax reasoning behind this approach? It seems redundant - couldn't they just complete separate W-9s for each disregarded entity instead of embedding them within the parent's W-9? Is there some tax advantage I'm missing? The client is being pretty insistent about this process and I want to make sure we're handling everything correctly.

Thais Soares

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This is a good question about disregarded entities and W-9 forms. You're right to be confused because what the client is asking doesn't align with standard practice. For a disregarded entity (like a single-member LLC), the correct procedure is to list the name of the disregarded entity on line 1, then the name of the owner on line 2, and use the owner's TIN (EIN) in Part I. The disregarded entity doesn't use its own EIN for federal tax reporting purposes - that's the whole point of being "disregarded." The IRS is very clear about this in the W-9 instructions: the disregarded entity should not be using its own EIN for federal tax reporting if it's truly disregarded. The parent/owner EIN should be used on the W-9 form.

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Nalani Liu

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But what if the disregarded entity needs its own EIN for state filing purposes? We have single-member LLCs that need their own EINs for state employment taxes even though they're disregarded federally. Could that be what's happening here?

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Thais Soares

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That's a good point about state requirements. Disregarded entities might need their own EINs for state employment taxes or other state-specific filings. However, for federal tax purposes and information reporting (which is what the W-9 is primarily for), they should still be using the parent/owner's EIN. The proper way to handle this would be to use the parent's EIN on the W-9 form as required by federal regulations, and then use the disregarded entity's EIN for any specific state filings where required. Mixing these on the W-9 causes confusion and potential reporting problems.

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Axel Bourke

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Aidan Percy

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How exactly does that work? Do you upload the W-9s and it tells you which EIN to use? Or do you have to provide more documentation about the entity structure?

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. Does it actually give tax advice that's defensible if you get audited? Or is it just general information that you could find on the IRS website anyway?

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Axel Bourke

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Hattie Carson

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Hattie Carson

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From my experience working with a lot of holding company structures, sometimes the reason clients do this is because they want to track income and expenses separately for each disregarded entity for internal accounting purposes, even though for federal tax purposes it's all reported under the parent. This could be why they want you to use the disregarded entity's EIN in your systems - for their own record-keeping. However, for W-9 purposes and 1099 reporting, you really should be using the parent EIN as others have mentioned.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Makes sense for internal tracking, but shouldn't they then provide separate W-9s for each entity with the correct information rather than trying to cram multiple EINs onto one form? That seems like it would create a documentation nightmare for the bank.

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You're absolutely right. They should not be providing W-9s with multiple EINs crammed onto one form. That creates confusion and potential compliance issues. What they should do is provide a properly completed W-9 that follows IRS guidelines, with the disregarded entity name on line 1, owner name on line 2, and owner's EIN in Part I. Then separately (not on the W-9 itself) they could provide you with a mapping of their internal entity structure that shows which disregarded entities correspond to which EINs for their own internal tracking purposes.

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Have any of you seen cases where a disregarded entity was incorrectly issued a 1099 under its own EIN rather than the parent's? We did this accidentally last year and now I'm worried about potential penalties or issues when the parent files their return.

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Anna Xian

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Yes, I've seen this happen and it can create a matching issue at the IRS. Since the disregarded entity doesn't file its own tax return, the IRS computer system can't match the 1099 income to a filed return. The parent should include that income on their return and explain the discrepancy with a note that the 1099 was incorrectly issued to their disregarded entity.

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This is a really common source of confusion, and you're absolutely right to question this practice. What your client is doing - mixing disregarded entity EINs with parent W-9s - creates unnecessary complications and doesn't align with IRS requirements. The key issue here is that a disregarded entity, by definition, is ignored for federal tax purposes. Even if the disregarded entity has its own EIN (which it might need for state taxes, employment taxes, or banking purposes), for federal information reporting like 1099s, you must use the parent/owner's EIN. Your client should provide clean W-9s with: - Line 1: Disregarded entity name - Line 2: Parent/owner name - Part I: Parent/owner's EIN If they need you to track payments separately by disregarded entity for their internal purposes, that's fine - but the 1099s should still be issued under the parent's EIN. You might want to explain that using the disregarded entity's EIN could create matching problems when the IRS tries to reconcile the 1099s with filed tax returns, since the disregarded entity doesn't file its own return. I'd recommend having them provide corrected W-9s that follow standard IRS guidelines to avoid any compliance issues down the road.

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Carmen Lopez

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I needed! Thank you for breaking down the proper W-9 format so clearly. I'm going to use this structure when I go back to my client to request corrected forms. One follow-up question - if the client pushes back and insists they need to use the disregarded entity EIN for "business reasons," would it be appropriate for me to document their insistence in our files while still following the proper reporting procedures? I want to make sure we're covered from a compliance standpoint if they refuse to provide corrected W-9s.

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