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Hey everyone, I'm a tax preparer (not a CPA) and I see this Form 8863 issue all the time. Another thing to check is if you received any scholarships or grants. Those reduce your qualified education expenses for the Lifetime Learning Credit calculation. For example, if you paid $5000 in tuition but received a $4000 scholarship, you can only use $1000 as your qualified education expense. That might be why you're ending up with zero, especially if your education expenses weren't that high after considering scholarships. Also, make sure you're eligible for the credit based on your income. The Lifetime Learning Credit phases out at higher income levels (starts phasing out at $80,000 for single filers and $160,000 for joint filers for 2024 returns).
That's a great point! I didn't even think about my scholarship reducing my eligible expenses. I received about $3,500 in scholarships last year. So if my tuition was $5,000, I would only be able to claim $1,500 for the Lifetime Learning Credit?
That's exactly right! You would only be able to claim $1,500 as your qualified education expenses in that scenario. And remember, the Lifetime Learning Credit is calculated as 20% of your qualified expenses, so your potential credit would be $300 ($1,500 Ć 20%). Then, that potential credit amount gets compared to your remaining tax liability on the Credit Limit Worksheet. If your remaining tax liability is less than $300 (or zero), that's why you'd end up with zero or a reduced credit amount on line 19 of Form 8863.
Has anyone tried using a different tax software? I was using FreeTaxUSA and had the exact same issue with Form 8863 and the Lifetime Learning Credit. Switched to TaxSlayer and somehow it calculated a credit for me. Not sure if it's correct but it definitely gave me a different result.
I used both TurboTax and H&R Block and got the same zero result with the Lifetime Learning Credit. I think different software might do the calculations slightly differently, but the end result should be the same if you're entering the same information. Might be worth double-checking that you input everything identically in both programs.
Just want to add that it's really important to fix this. When you eventually sell the rental property, the IRS will assume you took all allowable depreciation WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY DID OR NOT. So you'll be taxed as if you received the benefit even if you didn't claim it on your returns!
That's exactly what happened to my parents! They never claimed depreciation on their rental for 12 years, then when they sold it, they got hit with depreciation recapture tax on depreciation they never benefited from. Huge tax bill they weren't expecting.
Has anyone used IRS Form 8949 to adjust the basis when selling a property where depreciation wasn't claimed? I've heard conflicting advice about whether that's an alternative to Form 3115.
Form 8949 isn't the right approach here. That form is used when you're reporting the sale of a capital asset, not for catching up on missed depreciation. Form 3115 is specifically designed for changing an accounting method, which is exactly what you're doing when you start claiming depreciation that you previously failed to claim. The 3115 allows you to make this correction without amending prior returns. If you waited until sale to try to address unclaimed depreciation, it would be too late - the IRS would still reduce your basis by the depreciation you should have claimed, essentially taxing you on benefits you never received.
For anyone dealing with backdoor Roth issues in TurboTax, here's exactly what you need to do: 1. Enter your non-deductible traditional IRA contribution first 2. Make sure to specify it's NON-DEDUCTIBLE 3. Complete the Form 8606 section entirely 4. Only THEN enter your Roth conversion information 5. Verify the basis amount carries over to the conversion screen I do this every year and it works perfectly. If you do these steps out of order, TurboTax gets confused and can't track your basis correctly.
Do you know if this same process works in H&R Block's software? I'm having the same issue there and their support has been useless.
I haven't personally used H&R Block's software recently, but the general principle is the same. You need to make sure you've entered your non-deductible contribution information and completed the equivalent of Form 8606 before you enter the conversion information. The specific navigation and screens will be different, but the sequence is what matters. Most tax software struggles with backdoor Roth conversions if you don't follow the correct order of operations. Try looking specifically for the Form 8606 section in H&R Block's software and complete that first before handling the conversion.
something nobody mentioned yet - if you have ANY other traditional IRA money with pre-tax dollars (like old 401k rollovers), the pro-rata rule is gonna mess up your backdoor roth!! the entire conversion isnt tax free even if this specific contribution was non-deductible. turbo tax should handle this if you enter all your ira balances correctly but a lot of ppl forget this part.
Just an FYI - I work at a tax prep office and we're seeing lots of clients in this exact situation. The distinction between Zelle and other payment apps is important. Zelle operates differently because it's owned by banks, not a separate payment processor. Zelle claims they don't issue 1099-Ks at all because they're just facilitating direct bank-to-bank transfers, not actually processing payments themselves. But that doesn't mean you're off the hook! If you're getting regularly scheduled payments of the same amount, that looks exactly like income to the IRS. If you get audited, they'll ask for bank statements and those Zelle deposits will be right there. Better to report it all now than pay penalties and interest later.
Thanks for this info! So even if Zelle doesn't report it, I should still be reporting this income? Would I just add it as "miscellaneous income" or would I need to file as self-employed with a Schedule C?
You should definitely report the income regardless of whether Zelle issues a 1099-K. Since you're receiving regular payments for work performed, this would be considered self-employment income, not miscellaneous income. You'll need to file Schedule C to report your business income and expenses, and Schedule SE to calculate your self-employment tax. This is actually better for you in many ways because with Schedule C, you can deduct legitimate business expenses that reduce your taxable income. If you have a home office, use your phone for work, or have any other expenses related to this work, those can potentially be deductible.
Is anyone else noticing that the payment apps are super inconsistent with reporting? I get payments through CashApp, Venmo AND Zelle for my small business and last year only PayPal sent me a 1099-K even though I made over $10k on each platform.
Same experience here. I got a 1099-K from PayPal but nothing from Venmo despite making similar amounts on both. I reported everything anyway because I don't want headaches with the IRS, but the inconsistency is frustrating. I think different platforms are interpreting the requirements differently.
Dylan Cooper
Could you possibly claim Head of Household status instead of Single? If you had a qualifying dependent living with you for more than half the year (like a child), you might qualify for Head of Household even though you're divorced. The tax rates are better than filing as Single. Worth looking into if you have kids or another qualifying dependent!
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Andre Moreau
ā¢No kids unfortunately. It was just me and my ex-wife. We don't have any dependents together, and no one else lived with us. Based on what everyone's saying, looks like I'm stuck with the Single filing status and this huge tax bill. Just wish I'd known about this earlier in the year so I could have adjusted my withholdings.
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢That's tough, sorry to hear it. Without a qualifying dependent, you're right that Single is your only option. For next year, definitely update your W-4 with your employer ASAP to avoid withholding problems. One thing to consider is whether you might qualify for any tax credits based on your situation. The Saver's Credit could apply if you contributed to retirement accounts and your income isn't too high. There might also be education credits if you paid any tuition or student loan interest.
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Sofia Ramirez
Just a heads up - this might be minor, but if you paid any medical expenses for your ex while you were still married (even if you can't claim her as a dependent), those expenses might be deductible if your total medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income. Keep all receipts and documentation. Divorce tax situations are always messy, but documenting everything helps.
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Dmitry Volkov
ā¢This is good advice. Also, don't forget about any legal fees specifically related to tax advice during your divorce. Those might be deductible too, even though general divorce attorney fees aren't. My accountant helped me identify about $1,800 in deductible legal fees from my divorce last year that were specifically for tax consultation.
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